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Ask your general election candidates what a woman is: results

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generalelectionfish · 01/06/2024 09:58

I have decided to ask all major parties in my constituency how they define a woman, particularly with regard to women in sport and prisons.

My constituency (currently, subject to borders changing) is Aylesbury Vale.

Conservative: Rob Butler - no reply. This doesn't surprise me because he's a useless tosser who only ever turns up to stuff being opened and has never answered a single email I have sent.

Labour: Laura Kyrke-Smith - replied! She says, "I define a woman as someone who has female sex at birth or defines herself as a woman.
This piece by Annelise Dodds is a good summary of where Labour stands on trans rights more broadly."

Weasel words in my opinion, but useful to know where she stands. We are a (ugh) Tory safe seat here, but if anyone can challenge it, it would only be Labour.

Anyone else have any assurances or otherwise from their local candidates - and where are you (if you are happy saying)?

Labour will lead on reform of transgender rights – and we won’t take lectures from the Tories | Anneliese Dodds

We will modernise, simplify and reform gender recognition law. Our policies won’t please everyone but we will do what’s right

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

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Shortshriftandlethal · 04/07/2024 08:28

Christinapple · 04/07/2024 00:00

Don't need to, her twitter postings as well as what she likes/reposts/follows says it all.

-Snide comments about a trans football manager to her 14M followers, resulting in targeted trans woman receiving abuse

-Never responds to the people in her twitter comments who post images of woodchippers and GIFs of guns being loaded when she posts about trans people. But if someone looks at a gender critical person the wrong way you can guarantee she'll be making a tweet about it.

-"I guffawed so hard I almost pulled something"- in response to a gay man who said he was receiving abuse from LGB-Alliance supporters

-Reposted an image of a defaced pride flag that had the caption "get this shit off the flag". The "shit" being referred to were colours representing gay people of colour, victims of HIV/AIDs as well as trans people.

-Referred to trans-supporters as "r*pist rights activists"

She's a fan of the anti-trans account "libsoftiktok"

It's this sort of thing day in day out, progressively becoming more obsessed as time goes on. You can see she's completely immersed in this stuff with her online and offline social group being dominantly anti-trans.

I tend to agree that prominent people should keep off twitter as much as possible, or else be incredibly disciplined in their posting ( which runs counter to the nature of twitter, though); but the fact is that trans activists and most trans-identified people are also totally consumed by gender politics...to the extent that many feel they cannot exist if someone does not accept their assumed identity. Everything in their life revolves around 'being trans'; about 'passing'; about ensuring compliance.

Many of us have this issue as their prome political obsession...... I do, myself, and will be dedicating our poltrical energy, intelligence and struggle to furthering our goals...and that is respect for the dignity and integritry of women and girls and an end to the ideological colonisation and authoritarianism that goes with it.

The violence and genuine abuse is all one way......the screaming, shouting, threatening, banging, blockading and so on.

Retiredfromthere · 04/07/2024 07:34

Christinapple · 04/07/2024 00:00

Don't need to, her twitter postings as well as what she likes/reposts/follows says it all.

-Snide comments about a trans football manager to her 14M followers, resulting in targeted trans woman receiving abuse

-Never responds to the people in her twitter comments who post images of woodchippers and GIFs of guns being loaded when she posts about trans people. But if someone looks at a gender critical person the wrong way you can guarantee she'll be making a tweet about it.

-"I guffawed so hard I almost pulled something"- in response to a gay man who said he was receiving abuse from LGB-Alliance supporters

-Reposted an image of a defaced pride flag that had the caption "get this shit off the flag". The "shit" being referred to were colours representing gay people of colour, victims of HIV/AIDs as well as trans people.

-Referred to trans-supporters as "r*pist rights activists"

She's a fan of the anti-trans account "libsoftiktok"

It's this sort of thing day in day out, progressively becoming more obsessed as time goes on. You can see she's completely immersed in this stuff with her online and offline social group being dominantly anti-trans.

The parallel with this would be me reading who posted ... E.g. @Christinapple and disregarding what was said. It's sad that you won't/don't take the time to read the primary source. Only the headline tweets and the reviews. I will continue to read your whole posts in the hope that I can learn something. But now I know what your posts are based on I will not be optimisitic.

SinnerBoy · 04/07/2024 06:39

Christinapple

If you can't see that Botox Chucky is a complete fruit loop, then there's no helping you.

SinnerBoy · 04/07/2024 06:39

Joan Smith has written an article, explaining why she can't vote Labour at this election. I'm sure it won't convert anyone who thinks that women's rights are a minor issue, but here it is:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-13598499/JOAN-SMITH-pains-say-profoundly-woman-hating-ideology-Labour-steely-grip-Thats-spoil-ballot-paper-today.html

https://archive.ph/q3hgF

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 04/07/2024 05:49

Don't need to, her twitter postings as well as what she likes/reposts/follows says it all.

Yeah I stopped there I'm afraid.

Gymrabbit · 04/07/2024 00:47

Mark Brooks Tory standing for Bexleyheath and Crayford said ‘I totally agree with single sex spaces’ “ there are only 2 sexes” I don’t have any truck with any of the nonsense’

l met him while he was out canvassing. Labour have canvassed here but I was out so have not asked the Labour candidate the question.

FunZebra · 04/07/2024 00:03

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 03/07/2024 14:54

What a terrible position to be in @FunZebra
and why does your Conservative candidate live so far away? As they are the only Party prepared to revise the Equalities Act and protect women they aren’t giving women much choice in your area. Is there any reason why there isn’t someone more local….ie are you very rural or something?

I’m in Wales where legend has it that you can put a red rosette on a sheep and people will vote for it. We have Tory councillors on the council and MSes in the Senedd so I don’t know why they couldn’t field a local Tory candidate.

Christinapple · 04/07/2024 00:00

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 03/07/2024 20:10

@Christinapple have you bothered to read any of her essays? I'll hazard a guess and say no.

Don't need to, her twitter postings as well as what she likes/reposts/follows says it all.

-Snide comments about a trans football manager to her 14M followers, resulting in targeted trans woman receiving abuse

-Never responds to the people in her twitter comments who post images of woodchippers and GIFs of guns being loaded when she posts about trans people. But if someone looks at a gender critical person the wrong way you can guarantee she'll be making a tweet about it.

-"I guffawed so hard I almost pulled something"- in response to a gay man who said he was receiving abuse from LGB-Alliance supporters

-Reposted an image of a defaced pride flag that had the caption "get this shit off the flag". The "shit" being referred to were colours representing gay people of colour, victims of HIV/AIDs as well as trans people.

-Referred to trans-supporters as "r*pist rights activists"

She's a fan of the anti-trans account "libsoftiktok"

It's this sort of thing day in day out, progressively becoming more obsessed as time goes on. You can see she's completely immersed in this stuff with her online and offline social group being dominantly anti-trans.

SelfPortraitWithHagstone · 03/07/2024 23:27

I emailed my Lib Dem candidate this morning - heard back within two hours, saying sex and gender are different, single- sex spaces should be protected and "no matter what your gender it does not trump your sex". He also referenced his undergraduate degree in biology. 😊 Don't know if he'll hold out against the party when it comes to it but I was impressed by the straight answer and how swiftly it came!

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/07/2024 20:50

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 19:53

Just a guess here but I would imagine voters of other parties would consider the trans-debate to be even less of importance than Conservative (or Reform). There is other stuff happening.

Anyway just came across this, a WB Harry Potter store in NY displaying the progress pride flag. It must mean Rowling does care about LGBT people after all, how nice.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/07/02/harry-potter-store-flies-trans-inclusive-progress-pride-flag/

Some trans activists simply cannot live their 'true selves' or 'best lives' without Harry Potter, it seems.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/07/2024 20:49

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 19:53

Just a guess here but I would imagine voters of other parties would consider the trans-debate to be even less of importance than Conservative (or Reform). There is other stuff happening.

Anyway just came across this, a WB Harry Potter store in NY displaying the progress pride flag. It must mean Rowling does care about LGBT people after all, how nice.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/07/02/harry-potter-store-flies-trans-inclusive-progress-pride-flag/

Many of us here are actually ex/Labour party members and activists of long standing......People who truly understand 'Women's rights' and the female perspective treat this issue as absolutely fundamental. For those whose feminism is predicated solely on 'equality' as sameness, maybe less so.

EasternStandard · 03/07/2024 20:43

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 03/07/2024 17:17

Reword it with 'men in women's spaces and sports' and see what answers you get in your little chart.

IW is unhinged and deranged, as evidenced by their misogynistic behaviour on Twitter/X, mainly towards JKR. I'll stand by that any day of the week.

Reword it with 'men in women's spaces and sports' and see what answers you get in your little chart

Yep.

Also I’m wondering if a bigger question to politicians could have been where do men with a GRC have access?

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 03/07/2024 20:40

teawamutu · 03/07/2024 20:34

Personally, I think IW is unhinged and deranged because of IW's unhinged and deranged social media spoutings.

Also misogynist.

Hth.

Well indeed.

teawamutu · 03/07/2024 20:34

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 03/07/2024 17:15

It's remarkably transphobic to assume we think IW is deranged because IW is trans-identified, rather than because of how IW acts.

Personally, I think IW is unhinged and deranged because of IW's unhinged and deranged social media spoutings.

Also misogynist.

Hth.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 03/07/2024 20:10

@Christinapple have you bothered to read any of her essays? I'll hazard a guess and say no.

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 19:53

Fluffypuppy1 · 03/07/2024 17:15

That’s because the voting intention part states Conservative. Try filling it in with either Labour, Lib Dem’s or Green Party, then see what the results are.

Just a guess here but I would imagine voters of other parties would consider the trans-debate to be even less of importance than Conservative (or Reform). There is other stuff happening.

Anyway just came across this, a WB Harry Potter store in NY displaying the progress pride flag. It must mean Rowling does care about LGBT people after all, how nice.

https://www.thepinknews.com/2024/07/02/harry-potter-store-flies-trans-inclusive-progress-pride-flag/

Ask your general election candidates what a woman is: results
PepeParapluie · 03/07/2024 19:41

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 15:23

Saw this on Twitter. It really puts into perspective just how much the general population (i.e. outside of communities where people with gender critical views gather) actually consider the trans debate top priority.

We've got leaders bending over backwards to meet with billionaire Rowling (on her terms, of course), to reassure her about all the trans people in her head. But what does that do for normal working class people worried about the cost of living, crime, Britain's involvement in foreign conflicts and affordable housing or social care for the elderly or disabled?

It's almost as if billionaires such as JK Rowling aren't living in the same world we are.

Source: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1808068665524334820/photo/1

JK Rowling didn’t ask to meet them as far as I’m aware, Starmer said he’d meet with her didn’t he? As a sort of eye rolling ‘if it keeps her happy’ type concession if I recall correctly. And she responded that there were other interested groups who he should meet with first.

But yes, JKR is so awful… heaven forbid a woman might be successful because of her own merit and hard work, and that she might then use her money for the good of other women, and that she might have opinions and get involved in expressing them. Despicable behaviour Hmm

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 03/07/2024 17:17

Reword it with 'men in women's spaces and sports' and see what answers you get in your little chart.

IW is unhinged and deranged, as evidenced by their misogynistic behaviour on Twitter/X, mainly towards JKR. I'll stand by that any day of the week.

Fluffypuppy1 · 03/07/2024 17:15

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 15:23

Saw this on Twitter. It really puts into perspective just how much the general population (i.e. outside of communities where people with gender critical views gather) actually consider the trans debate top priority.

We've got leaders bending over backwards to meet with billionaire Rowling (on her terms, of course), to reassure her about all the trans people in her head. But what does that do for normal working class people worried about the cost of living, crime, Britain's involvement in foreign conflicts and affordable housing or social care for the elderly or disabled?

It's almost as if billionaires such as JK Rowling aren't living in the same world we are.

Source: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1808068665524334820/photo/1

That’s because the voting intention part states Conservative. Try filling it in with either Labour, Lib Dem’s or Green Party, then see what the results are.

BeBraveLittlePenguin · 03/07/2024 17:15

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 17:12

The chart I posted speaks for itself, all the "sex based" stuff is basically just all a debate about trans people regardless what words you want to use for it. Most people in the real world are more concerned about how to pay bills or afford a house or issues regarding NHS/crime/social care as the chart mentioned.

Also where is my meeting with the party leaders? Do I get to set my terms for them to meet with me and will they promise to assure me and keep me happy like with Rowling? Or am I a nobody because I'm a non-billionaire without 14M followers on twitter?

IW aside, the source for the figures on the chart is at the bottom of the image (not from IW herself, obvs).

"If you want to be taken seriously quoting from that unhinged deranged individual probably isn't"

If you want to be taken seriously it's generally best not to call people "unhinged deranged". I know many here dislike trans people but I would prefer if we could chat without them being called names.

It's remarkably transphobic to assume we think IW is deranged because IW is trans-identified, rather than because of how IW acts.

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 17:12

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 03/07/2024 16:41

That's because it isn't a 'debate about trans people'. It's a women's rights issue. The right to have sex based spaces and sports. And you are STILL obsessed with JKR, as is IW. If you want to be taken seriously quoting from that unhinged deranged individual probably isn't the way to do it.

Lastly I'm not sure JKR is indeed a billionaire, due to her charitable donations. Someone could correct me if I'm wrong.

The chart I posted speaks for itself, all the "sex based" stuff is basically just all a debate about trans people regardless what words you want to use for it. Most people in the real world are more concerned about how to pay bills or afford a house or issues regarding NHS/crime/social care as the chart mentioned.

Also where is my meeting with the party leaders? Do I get to set my terms for them to meet with me and will they promise to assure me and keep me happy like with Rowling? Or am I a nobody because I'm a non-billionaire without 14M followers on twitter?

IW aside, the source for the figures on the chart is at the bottom of the image (not from IW herself, obvs).

"If you want to be taken seriously quoting from that unhinged deranged individual probably isn't"

If you want to be taken seriously it's generally best not to call people "unhinged deranged". I know many here dislike trans people but I would prefer if we could chat without them being called names.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/07/2024 17:06

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 15:23

Saw this on Twitter. It really puts into perspective just how much the general population (i.e. outside of communities where people with gender critical views gather) actually consider the trans debate top priority.

We've got leaders bending over backwards to meet with billionaire Rowling (on her terms, of course), to reassure her about all the trans people in her head. But what does that do for normal working class people worried about the cost of living, crime, Britain's involvement in foreign conflicts and affordable housing or social care for the elderly or disabled?

It's almost as if billionaires such as JK Rowling aren't living in the same world we are.

Source: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1808068665524334820/photo/1

Nobody expects the 'general public' to have this issue as their top priority. But for those of us that do it is, of course, fundamental......and they/we will be thanked, or certainly remembered, for it at some point - when the 'average person' is themself directly impacted.......in the way the nurses in Darlington have been recently, and now the hospital staff member in Scotland - both of whom are taking action against the NHS for being forced to change with men, and then reprimanded when they complain.

Votes for women was never the top priority for most in decades gone by, either.......but if the few don't do the work on the behalf of the majority....then many issues would not be adressed at all.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 03/07/2024 16:41

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 15:23

Saw this on Twitter. It really puts into perspective just how much the general population (i.e. outside of communities where people with gender critical views gather) actually consider the trans debate top priority.

We've got leaders bending over backwards to meet with billionaire Rowling (on her terms, of course), to reassure her about all the trans people in her head. But what does that do for normal working class people worried about the cost of living, crime, Britain's involvement in foreign conflicts and affordable housing or social care for the elderly or disabled?

It's almost as if billionaires such as JK Rowling aren't living in the same world we are.

Source: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1808068665524334820/photo/1

That's because it isn't a 'debate about trans people'. It's a women's rights issue. The right to have sex based spaces and sports. And you are STILL obsessed with JKR, as is IW. If you want to be taken seriously quoting from that unhinged deranged individual probably isn't the way to do it.

Lastly I'm not sure JKR is indeed a billionaire, due to her charitable donations. Someone could correct me if I'm wrong.

anyolddinosaur · 03/07/2024 16:32

Sadly I still havent seen any sign of the local labour candidate, perhaps because I had raised this as an issue with the local party and this candidate. As long as you dont visit too many doorsteps other than party members you can still claim it doesnt come up on the doorstep. Cant claim it's not in your email box though.

Christinapple · 03/07/2024 15:23

Saw this on Twitter. It really puts into perspective just how much the general population (i.e. outside of communities where people with gender critical views gather) actually consider the trans debate top priority.

We've got leaders bending over backwards to meet with billionaire Rowling (on her terms, of course), to reassure her about all the trans people in her head. But what does that do for normal working class people worried about the cost of living, crime, Britain's involvement in foreign conflicts and affordable housing or social care for the elderly or disabled?

It's almost as if billionaires such as JK Rowling aren't living in the same world we are.

Source: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1808068665524334820/photo/1

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