Mumsnet Manifesto urges government to define what a woman is

The PC of GR and the GRA all seem to be based on the idea that if men are comfortable using female id, the government will recognise that in law.

Why?

We dont need more laws, we need to question the purpose of the existing ones.

Are we dealing with legal sex overriding biological sex though? Prior to Stonewall Law, no we were not. The approach was that a GRC didn't mean "legal sex". That was the approach. We are talking ourselves into it instead of holding the line. We are also not encouraging decision makers to take all the salient facts into account when making decisions. We've helped them ignore their duties and to encourage "legal sex". Some serious thinking needs to happen all round here.

We definitely need to think how repeal would work in a practical sense, and push for that. What happens to those with GRCs needs some airtime.

I've only skimmed it so far so I may be back with questions and reservations, but before any of that, well done MNHQ. And well done FWR vipers for not shutting up - you did this.

We already are dealing with legal sex overriding biological sex rather than walking in to it

Agree the GRA is a damaging law and should be repealed

We are in danger of walking into having 'legal sex' in addition to 'biological sex' and creating an unnecessary group

I really think we need to start talking about this. This, and whatever the fuck is going on about "belief".

The GRA needs repealed.

76% of our users tell us they think women’s voices are not heard at the top levels of government: we’re challenging politicians to change that, engage with these issues and prove that they are listening to women.

That's a lot of women! I'll read the rest of this evening as I have a visitor arriving shortly.

Wow
Here we are on the naughty step & they're listening. (Thanks to those of you with infinite patience that "remember the lurkers")

[Wish they had said in person breastfeeding support! I did not enjoy the "hands on support" I got 😬😂]

The first ever Mumsnet “manifesto” is urging the next government to define what a woman isin the Equality Act.

I thought a woman was defined as a female of any age in the Equality Act? It's clearly based on sex.

The problem is that governments are giving men female id. Id doesn’t change a persons sex, but it does make it difficult for service provides to exclude men with female id.

We are in danger of walking into having 'legal sex' in addition to 'biological sex' and creating an unnecessary group. Am i, as a women, biological female but not legally female? Or am i also part of a legal female grouping that includes men with female id and excludes women with male id? What benefit does that give me?

Given how dominant the trans lobby is, and how much politicians fall over themselves to appease them, are we sure that 'biological sex' will remain the only sex category that protects women and girls from male violence?

We just need to stop giving adult men female id. They aren't female.

Good to see - and very pleased to see that as well as the Equality Act reform that the first two priorities are :

1. A statutory inquiry into maternity care
2. Immediate action to tackle birth trauma

The idea that the NHS is wasting money on sex change treatment for adults or children along with numerous pointless yet expensive rainbow initiatives while women & babies are routinely harmed because of inadequate maternity services is appalling and speaks to a deep streak of misogyny / lack of care for women that runs through the upper echelons of our medical services.

Thank you @MNHQ!

I haven't read it yet - does it include concerns for children?

There's a heartbreaking thread here today describing the death of a child who was "helped" by mermaids etc.

Child safeguarding should be a key priority

Excellent news and well done to Mumsnet.

@ArabellaScott in the BBC Liz Carr documentary recently, she interviewed Lord Falconer (of GRA fame) who was pro-"assisted dying". Worth a watch.

I’m glad the Equality Act point has been picked up and highlighted

This is great to see. Thank you!

Thank you MN and thank you for posting the link

Good point

It needs a fuck of a lot more discussion and consideration. I share your reservations.

Agree.

And yes - thankyou MNHQ. For asking us and for telling them.

Yes I agree. And the "assisted dying" point is worrying. Like transing minors and self-ID, one need only look at Canada to see how that turns out.

I haven’t read this yet but sounds good

I didn’t know they were doing it

https://www.mumsnet.com/news/ge24-mumsnet-manifesto

Fucking brilliant! Thank you, MNHQ. I think those are excellent points.

Thanks for the link to the article. It’s really chilling to see each of those quotes and realise how much of a battle is still ahead

Right, so the government cannot say they didnt know.

MN and 9 million users have told them.
Glad its archived. As soon as one politician says the refrain, I didn't know, we can send the archive and ask what the fuck have they been doing.