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Inaccurate BBC story - Trans identified male

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WineIsMyCarb · 01/06/2024 07:14

Bbc Sussex has described trans identified male murderer as 'woman' throughout story, with no reference at all to his sex or trans identity.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

If you wish to complain about this inaccurate reporting of a male's violent crime, the bbc's complaints link is here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

Andrew Rowland-Stuart, who died at his home on 27 May, smiling, wearing a grey t-shirt and grey waistcoat

Brighton: Woman, 70, in court over husband's death

Emergency services were called to a flat where the victim was pronounced dead, police say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp00de3r3qro

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Catiette · 01/06/2024 12:28

I've sent various courteous, thoughtful complaints, and have been fobbed off with responses ranging from the rudely dismissive to the totally indifferent (often to the content of my complaint!) And then there was Scarlet Blake. And now this.

I feel almost sick with distress that the BBC does this. It's utterly demeaning and downright dangerous. It's also undemocratic.

I'm losing patience. Could I suggest a new tack?

Dear BBC Complaints,

Many women remain undecided how to vote in the General Election. The deciding issue for us is how our legal and political rights may be affected by a change in government.

In order to judge whether or not we agree with Labour's stance that transwomen should be accommodated in a majority of single-sex spaces, it is necessary for us to know whether trans women tend to follow male or female patterns of violence and sexual violence.

As our national broadcaster, with a mandate to report facts accurately, please would you clarify that the individual in the above report is a transwoman. This provides the nation with information necessary to participate meaningfully in the democratic process, while using terminology that is respectful both to the individual in question and all of your readers.

If this is not editorial policy, please would you explain why, with explicit reference to your mandate to inform the public and thereby enable our democracy to function in a genuinely inclusive way.

I would be especially interested in the rationale behind your policy to favour the self-descriptor 'woman' over the impartial and unambiguous term 'trans woman'. Unlike 'woman', the latter respects all parties: the individual in question, women who wish to retain a collective noun for their sex class, and other readers struggling to follow the current debate and undecided how to vote.

Best wishes,

Catiette

Waitingfordoggo · 01/06/2024 11:57

I was worried about the speculation on the thread after the recent mistake a poster made in missexing someone, but I guess if the DM has said this person is a transwoman, they must have some evidence.

Plus this person has photos accessible on their FB and, well….

Inaccurate BBC story - Trans identified male
Nevercloserfortherestofourlives · 01/06/2024 11:46

TWETMIRF · 01/06/2024 11:20

Can you imagine the tantrums when they're told that they are being sent to a women's prison and it's just got other transwomen in there?

😂😂😂

TWETMIRF · 01/06/2024 11:20

mrshoho · 01/06/2024 10:13

We're going to have to build a prison to house all these trans criminals at this rate. In the meantime I take it Joanna will be residing in a male prison.

Can you imagine the tantrums when they're told that they are being sent to a women's prison and it's just got other transwomen in there?

RoyalCorgi · 01/06/2024 10:17

Oh my fucking word. Well that is awkward. Perhaps the bbc would like to delve further.

Oh, I shouldn't think so. Heaven forbid they actually do any proper fucking journalism.

mrshoho · 01/06/2024 10:13

We're going to have to build a prison to house all these trans criminals at this rate. In the meantime I take it Joanna will be residing in a male prison.

MagnetCarHair · 01/06/2024 10:11

I'm so sick of this shit.

PronounssheRa · 01/06/2024 10:09

RoyalCorgi · 01/06/2024 09:48

According to Malcolm Clark, the lovely Joanna was an adviser to the police on domestic violence. There's a little clip of Joanna talking about the importance of safe spaces:

https://x.com/TwisterFilm/status/1796635621747753192

Also appears to have been involved with Brighton Councils LGBT (Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Trans) housing strategy and Brighton unis 'domestic violence and abuse count me in' research.

There is a lots of info online about this person

mrshoho · 01/06/2024 09:56

RoyalCorgi · 01/06/2024 09:48

According to Malcolm Clark, the lovely Joanna was an adviser to the police on domestic violence. There's a little clip of Joanna talking about the importance of safe spaces:

https://x.com/TwisterFilm/status/1796635621747753192

Oh my fucking word. Well that is awkward. Perhaps the bbc would like to delve further.

MrsTomRipley · 01/06/2024 09:51

I think we need to complain directly to Tim Davie - remember at the select committee he said he was totally unaware of any complaints around this issue liar

RoyalCorgi · 01/06/2024 09:48

According to Malcolm Clark, the lovely Joanna was an adviser to the police on domestic violence. There's a little clip of Joanna talking about the importance of safe spaces:

https://x.com/TwisterFilm/status/1796635621747753192

x.com

https://x.com/TwisterFilm/status/1796635621747753192

mrshoho · 01/06/2024 09:19

Thanks, I have complained. Blatant inaccurate reporting.

WarriorN · 01/06/2024 09:18

I'm sure it's one of these sorts of cases a day now. 'Woman' convicted for <enter extremely violent murder and/ or sexually motivated crime>.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 01/06/2024 09:09

Fucksake!

did they learn nothing from
the scarlet Blake debacle?

do they even hear how ludicrous they sound “this person was tried as a woman” so what? They’re still a fucking man!

so another violent crime inaccurately recorded as being carried out by a woman then

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 01/06/2024 08:39

Using "woman" without clarifiying that the accused is male is misleading and inaccurate. Thanks for the heads-up about IPSO and accuracy.

Scavernick · 01/06/2024 08:36

Another 'female' crime no doubt.

JustPleachy · 01/06/2024 08:35

This was the response the last time I complained:

”BBC reporting in this area follows the publicly available BBC News style guide. It says: “We generally use the term and pronoun preferred by the person in question, unless there are editorial reasons not to do so.””

When I pushed further they said the person had been “tried as a woman and the pronoun ‘she’ was used throughout.”

Lilacdew · 01/06/2024 08:30

OpusGiemuJavlo · 01/06/2024 07:38

To be fair, the bbc article is illustrated with a photo of the accused being escorted into a police vehicle whilst clearly being a bloke in a blond wig with a bit of five oclock shadow.

That's not being fair, that's being generous. How hard is it for them to write 'transwoman'. It is a precise and accurate term. A man who thinks he is a woman.

notsorighteousthesedays · 01/06/2024 08:28

Lodged a complaint (I hope) the first time I have done so, it won't be the last!!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/06/2024 08:21

Do you have personal knowledge that this person is trans?

The media outlets are just republishing information released by the police, they won't have done any research into the people involved.

Haven't we learnt from a recent thread not to jump to conclusions just because someone looks like a masculine woman in a photo?

You can stand down, this person is male.

OldCrone · 01/06/2024 08:21

yetanotherusernameAgain · 01/06/2024 07:46

Do you have personal knowledge that this person is trans?

The media outlets are just republishing information released by the police, they won't have done any research into the people involved.

Haven't we learnt from a recent thread not to jump to conclusions just because someone looks like a masculine woman in a photo?

Not saying that's the case here, as some media sources seem to know more about the accused's personal background than the likes of the BBC etc.

That's why I checked to see if any other sources had reported that this person is male. It turns out that the Mail seems to have done a bit more research than the BBC.

PammieDooveOrangeJoof · 01/06/2024 08:07

Complained thanks. Absolutely sick of the BBC.

AnCùDubh · 01/06/2024 07:57

Cite IPSO editors code clause 1 - Accuracy- while complaining.

SilverBranchGoldenPears · 01/06/2024 07:54

Complained. Thanks!

PronounssheRa · 01/06/2024 07:48

The accused worked for the Brighton and Hove LGBT Community Safety Forum and as a Transgender rep with civil service LGBT group Proud.