Starmer stabs anothe Black female Labour candidate in the back

Well, my view is that Jeremy Corbyn, despite being mule-headed on a lot of things (Hamas obviously, Brexit) is a fundamentally decent and honest man, who has been hung out to dry by Starmer.

"Well, Sir Keir, when did you first discover that the man you'd served under as Deputy Shadow Leader was an an awful antisemite? Was it just the day before yesterday, or a long time ago?"

Surely that's well into 'fool or knave' territory?

Yes, absolutely that. People should be allowed to be complete dicks in private conversations. We shouldn't be the fucking Stasi.

I agree, I'm just not sure what they are.

Social media is so tricky, because it really fuzzy what is public and what is private.

There was a big controversy where I lived a few years ago about a group of students in a professional program at our local university. There had been leak somehow of a conversation on an online group where they said some quite inappropriate things about some female students.

It caused a huge controversy, and a big part of it was around the fact that the group was private - someone leaked a transcript of the conversation iirc. So the students involved had no expectation that anyone, much less the women they were talking about, would ever hear any of it. In a way it was the equivalent of a conversation in someone's dingy basement rec room.

But it was spun as being not only immature and dick-headed, but threatening and "unsafe".

I couldn't help but feel it crossed a line in terms of essentially someone overhearing a private conversation. And people are allowed to be complete dicks in private conversations. It starts to get into difficult precedent when you then go so far as to expel students like this on the basis of that, which is what a lot of people wanted.

Sure, yes, if you're aspiring to public office. Not unreasonable to think you should be held to rather higher standards. But even there, I'd say there should be limits.

I hate it and I think it needs to be largely illegal.

In politics it is a bit different though and I think harder to deal with. They are choosing candidates for their beliefs, integrity, and appeal to the public. And arguably the public has a right to know the people they are electing.

Well, if you will go getting photo-shots with Jeremy Corbyn... 😛

Him being the Antichrist, an all... But yeah, the Labour Party will be anything but a 'broad church' from now on.

And, more generally, not just in politics. To what extent is it OK, for example, for prospective employers to trail through your (sometimes distant) SM history to determine whether you're 'suitable'? The world and his dog seem to think they have the right to go Inch-High Private Eye these days. It's a trend I don't like.

I do think that in general the focus on things people have tweeted, and worse, things they have "liked" is going to be a problem for politics across the board. Especially when there is so much of what is frankly hypersensitivity. And in some, maybe a lot, of cases, it's hypersensitivity being used very deliberately as a weapon.

A couple of years ago I lived in a town (not UK but similar system) where one party's candidate was deselected due to a tweet he'd made at university. He was youngish, so it was something like 8 years before, but still, he was very young. I know plenty of people who would be solid MPs in my view who said really stupid shit in university.

Liking or reposting things doesn't always mean agreeing either.

On the other hand - sometimes it does become clear that someone is unsuitable for a political job, but not really for a reason it's easy to block them for. But it may be that the nature of democracy means those kinds of buffoons need to be allowed, if the local people choose them - even if the party would rather not have them.

She is a bit anti-Semitic, I think. Saw interview. Not especially articulate.

Anyway, I think I'm going to leave this thread now. Too much madness. How anyone can think it's acceptable to bully a new mum who'd worked so hard for her local area for so long, and for people of all faiths and none, is beyond me.
It seems like a witch-hunt to me, and it's pretty unpleasant to watch.
Peace to all.

😂 I'm so sorry, I don't know if it was your intention or not, but I couldn't help but find your post genuinely very funny! I In a dark way. I actually laughed out loud when I read it. I don't mean that as an insult, I promise. Sincere apologies if that wasn't your intention. It was just something about the way you worded it.
Anyway, I'm not even on Twitter, and I obviously abhor anti-semitism, Nazism and all forms of prejudice. Hopefully that answers your question.
But, I think you were perhaps missing my points before? I do think that liking the tweet in question was a mistake. I do think the tropes in the tweet were wrong. But, I also think it genuinely sounds as though it was a mistake; in the throes of sleep deprivation, and probably more a liking of the video.
She explained. She apologised, that's the end of that.
As explained above, it's just so unjust, when other candidates have done things multiple times worse, and not been deselected. But you see, as explained before, it's not about the blooming tweet. It's about the right-wing coming up with an excuse to purge the left-wing, because it doesn't suit their agenda.
I don't understand why you're so determined to think the worst in this case? I'm Irish (lived in England many years) I've known people (usually due to clumsiness) come out with stereotypes about Ireland and Irishness, including massive ignorance about the potato famine. I don't like it; but if the person explains the context and apologises, I accept it, and move on. Maybe explanations and apologies are sincere and maybe they're not. But, I don't have the energy to dwell on it or to think the worst.
I'm not Jewish, and I'm not you. So it's entirely up to you how you think and feel. I wish you the best.

To be fair, the Green party have been employing pretty ruthless tactics too - to rid themselves of the problem of members who are in touch with the reality of biological sex.

Do you have children? Did you find yourself accidentally liking nazi antisemitic propaganda when they were tiny?

*inequality

I'm sure she's not perfect. But, everyone is flawed.
I think people are scrutinising everything she's said/done to an unreasonable degree. Honestly, if you subjected every political candidate to the same level of scrutiny, they'd probably nearly all be judged unsuitable.
Also, I think people really need to give her a break. She's just had a huge shock, and been treated appallingly. She must be hurting terribly. I can understand why a canvasser for her replacement knocking on her door would be a gut punch. Can you not?
Of course it's always wrong to photograph someone without their consent. If that's what happened here, then I do disagree with that. I don't know the details enough to comment though.
But, as I said above, nobody is perfect, and I do think people are expecting much higher standards of this woman than other candidates, which is simply unjust.
Finally, the nasty thing, is 14 years of austerity and gross I equality. Sadly I increasingly don't think Labour in its current form will do much, if anything, to improve the lives of poor and marginalised people. More of the same...

Her behaviour since her deselected probably confirms it was the correct decision to deselect her. She comes across as quite nasty.

I just saw a tweet where her and Ash Sarkar were basically throwing “coconut” jibes at Sajid Javid. “He probably uses boil in the bag rice” “orders lemon and herb at nandos”. 🙄 Yeah fuck her.

God I loathe people who level “race traitor” at other people. I was once accused of being a coconut for using a word the idiot I was speaking to didn’t understand. Also for being an atheist and for smoking and for reading. Sick of these people trying to force conformity on the rest of us.

Apologies. Only just read this.
Fair question. I actually made a decision to vote for The Green Party some time ago. I live in a Labour/Tory marginal on the south coast, so that's quite something. So, I don't expect much from Starmer's Labour at all as a lefty.
However, I did expect some very basic decency and fairness. To keep on someone who actually did racially abuse a journalist, and oust someone else for liking a tweet, is so obviously wrong. The former being a white man, the latter a woman of colour. Yes, I was naive to think the Labour Party wouldn't sink so low.

She'd just had a baby. She probably wasn't fully concentrating.
Also, as explained, I think it was the video she was liking, not the tweet. She's explained this.
The video was very balanced. Just comedically illustrating how difficult it is to discuss the middle-east without falling victim to gotcha-ism. On both sides. Which I honestly agree with. It was a Jon Stewart sketch, and he's Jewish.
Also, she apologised, and acknowledged the tweet was wrong. I also think the tweet was wrong. But, I believe in forgiveness. If someone is contrite, we should forgive them, or we never make progress in life.
Obviously if someone did something really terrible there'd have been consequences, even with an apology (I'm thinking of acts of violence for example) but, honestly liking a tweet by mistake, an apology should suffice.
But Faiza's deselection had absolutely nothing to do with that. That's just an excuse the Labour Party have come up with. As explained up thread, many candidates have done far worse, and have not been deselected.