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Man who raped 12 year old gipsy girl acquitted because relationship ‘common’ (Spain)

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IwantToRetire · 29/05/2024 18:13

A man who raped a 12-year-old girl was acquitted by a court that deemed their relations formed “part of the cultural reality of the gipsy community”.

Under Spanish law, minors under the age of 16 cannot consent to sex. But the court ruled that the man, who was 20 years old at the time, should benefit from a legal exception

According to the ruling, the defendant said he did not know the exact age of the minor and discovered that she was 12 only when they went to the doctor about her pregnancy.

The man, who has not been named, was sentenced to 11 years in prison after a sexual relationship with a Roma girl saw her become pregnant three times between the ages of 12 and 15.

The court in León was told by the victim that in her culture it was normal for a 12-year-old girl to have sexual relations with an adult. Prosecutors, who had initially pursued a 37-year sentence on three counts of rape, eventually agreed on a plea bargain deal with the reduced sentence, with the conviction ruling stating that “couples start at very early ages in gipsy culture”.

Beatriz Carrillo, director general of non-discrimination and anti-racism within Spain’s Equalities Ministry, described the ruling in León as an “absolute disgrace”.

“The penal code does not exclude Roma minors from protection. If it did so, we would be saying that abusing, attacking or raping gipsy girls has few legal consequences.”

Sara Giménez, FSG director general, said: “Spain’s legal framework says under-16s cannot give consent and this law should be applied for the protection of women, including gipsy women.

From a much longer article in the Telegraph but reprinted by yahoo at Man who raped gipsy girl, 12, acquitted because relationship ‘common’ (yahoo.com)

Man who raped gipsy girl, 12, acquitted because relationship ‘common’

A man who raped a 12-year-old girl was acquitted by a court that deemed their relations formed “part of the cultural reality of the gipsy community”.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/man-raped-gipsy-girl-12-161920726.html

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powershowerforanhour · 29/05/2024 19:51

In certain Spanish villages goats and donkeys and whatnot used to get chucked off church towers because culture. It's illegal now.

Alltheyearround · 29/05/2024 19:45

for 'has sex with' read that as raped - a 12 year old cannot consent.

Soubriquet · 29/05/2024 19:45

MattDamon · 29/05/2024 19:36

Girls are groomed. They don't 'start' anything.

No you’re right. They are groomed. I used the wrong language

Alltheyearround · 29/05/2024 19:42

How can he not have known? I mean by the time you get to 15/16/17 some girls look older than they are but 12? That's barely out of primary school. Pregnant 3 times.

Ignorance not an excuse to not comply with age of consent.

I sometimes think people do make exceptions for things because of cultural differences - oh foot binding, female circumcision. etc it's what they (choose other culture to insert here) do. This seems especially to apply to rights of girls/women.

I am really interested in Roma culture/s and will gladly defend them in any discussion if someone is being prejudiced, but try reframing it:

White man of 20 has sex with girl of 12
Black man of 20 has sex with girl of 12
Chinese man of 20 has sex with girl of 12

Whatever race or culture, its not a good look is it?

She's still a child.

CoManagerOfTheShitpile · 29/05/2024 19:39

Three pregnancies between the ages of 12 and 15. Geez. What child could consent to that?

MFF2010 · 29/05/2024 19:38

Soubriquet · 29/05/2024 19:28

Girls do tend to start a lot younger in gypsy culture. Not saying it’s right, but it’s known.

No they don't, they're groomed from a young age and repeatedly raped with no way out available to them FFS.

MattDamon · 29/05/2024 19:36

Soubriquet · 29/05/2024 19:28

Girls do tend to start a lot younger in gypsy culture. Not saying it’s right, but it’s known.

Girls are groomed. They don't 'start' anything.

MFF2010 · 29/05/2024 19:36

It's not often I'm lost for words.

IwantToRetire · 29/05/2024 19:35

Girls do tend to start a lot younger in gypsy culture

I dont think "girls start". I think (and not just about the Gipsy community) that some cultures still cling to old partriarchal "norms" about girls should be "available" to men from an age they are assumed to have started mestruating.

Not sure if it is still in place, but some of the southern states in the US allow under age girls to be married.

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ApocalipstickNow · 29/05/2024 19:33

But who is helping them “start”?

They’re not on their own, are they?

How often are adults involved?

Soubriquet · 29/05/2024 19:28

Girls do tend to start a lot younger in gypsy culture. Not saying it’s right, but it’s known.

ApocalipstickNow · 29/05/2024 19:25

“couples start at very early ages in gipsy culture”
hmmm. Except he was 20 so do they mean girls start to be exploited at very early ages?

Sue152 · 29/05/2024 18:33

Shocking.

ExasperatedManager · 29/05/2024 18:27

Wow. That poor child.

museumum · 29/05/2024 18:26

Ffs the whole point of the law on age of consent is to apply universally.

Gorgonemilezola · 29/05/2024 18:21

Good grief.

DialSquare · 29/05/2024 18:20

That poor girl.