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Christinapple · 29/05/2024 01:08

Ramblingnamechanger · 28/05/2024 18:48

I wonder how mass emails to that address might impact the committee.

What do you mean by mass emails to them?

A campaign to flood them with transphobic emails isn't going to make them change their stance on anything and will likely just make them double-down on their support for trans people. It may also potentially be illegal to incite many people to harass an org.

Christinapple · 29/05/2024 01:00

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Datun · 28/05/2024 23:30

MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 23:13

A couple of weeks ago a bloke was seen taking photographs in the meadow. The lifeguards had a word with him and he said he was photographing the fox. Yeah, right.
A couple of months ago a bloke was preening and posing next to the pond in his swimming costume.
These things happen all the time. Women are staying silent to be kind and it's very unsafe, and also gross. It's unacceptable that KLPA will not stand with women against this crazy CoL policy,

Of course it is. And, by the nature of men who transgress women's boundaries, despite those women objecting every way they can, it will eventually become blindingly evident even to those who stick their fingers in their ears.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 23:13

A couple of weeks ago a bloke was seen taking photographs in the meadow. The lifeguards had a word with him and he said he was photographing the fox. Yeah, right.
A couple of months ago a bloke was preening and posing next to the pond in his swimming costume.
These things happen all the time. Women are staying silent to be kind and it's very unsafe, and also gross. It's unacceptable that KLPA will not stand with women against this crazy CoL policy,

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 23:07

@Cazpar I'm not sure this is wholly fair. She definitely didn't scream.

I didn't hear everything she said, but she's absolutely right that any man who chooses to transgress women's boundaries by entering the changing rooms, showers and the pond, in spite of the fact that some women make it VERY CLEAR that they do not want to share these spaces with men, are more than likely perverts.

I can see your point that Venice was disruptive and I suppose that as a consequence the committee see fit to expel her from the association, and I suppose that's a fairly standard response.

However, the counter argument would run that she was forced to stand on a chair to make her point because the ludicrous women on the committee won't listen are embarrassingly misguided and are going along with an extremely dangerous policy which allows men to freely enter spaces where women are extremely vulnerable, often naked, often alone. It is a disaster waiting to happen. Venice Allan standing on a chair to shout (NOT SCREAM) about it was very much appreciated, and will go down in history as yet another moment where women tired so hard to be heard.

The committee fall in to three categories; 1) those that truly believe the gender crap because they are daft woke children who have been miseducated. 2) virtue signalling middle aged women who believe it because they are achingly left wing and want to be kind but refuse to actually critically learn about the facts of the argument and 3) those who feel the gender crap is wrong and dangerous but they have their fingers in their ears and their hands over their mouths because they don't want to be alienated from their friends and they don't want to be associated with the terfs. It's inexcusable.

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Ramblingnamechanger · 28/05/2024 22:57

I don’t think writing an email, even if the address is currently active, which it isn’t is the equivalent of TRA behaviour,
at least the group couldn’t claim that no one cares whether men are accessing female facilities..oh wait..what was that about consultations going in the bin?

Cazpar · 28/05/2024 22:02

MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 21:06

@GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight I don't think anyone's sulking.

The new KLPA committee have made themselves look especially stupid and authoritarian by attempting to expel women with the 'wrong'views. Their grasp of the Equality act and basic biology is woeful.

They also make themselves appear highly sensitive and fragile if they are chucking Venice out for standing on a chair and pointing out their misogynistic nonsense.

She didn't just "stand on a chair and point out nonsense".

She stood on a chair, screamed at the assembly that they voted for rape, went on about mens erections, called trans women "perverts", and said she was never coming back. She was disruptive to the point the meeting was shut down.

If the above isn't enough to get someone kicked out of a club I don't know what is frankly. It doesn't matter how much you agree with her, this is a fairly predictable and normal consequence of that kind of behaviour.

TheFireflies · 28/05/2024 21:18

DrSpartacular · 28/05/2024 20:53

Erm, have you missed the Maya Forstater case?

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And all the many others thereafter! (Yes I know Forstater was precedent)

DrSpartacular · 28/05/2024 21:16

AlisonDonut · 28/05/2024 21:13

Of all the people to kick out, Venice 'more balls than Millwall' Allen.

Indeed.

AlisonDonut · 28/05/2024 21:13

Of all the people to kick out, Venice 'more balls than Millwall' Allen.

SinnerBoy · 28/05/2024 21:11

They're a pathetic gang of bullies. Dennis Noel Kavanagh says, confirming what many think, that this is unlawful discrimination.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 21:06

@GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight I don't think anyone's sulking.

The new KLPA committee have made themselves look especially stupid and authoritarian by attempting to expel women with the 'wrong'views. Their grasp of the Equality act and basic biology is woeful.

They also make themselves appear highly sensitive and fragile if they are chucking Venice out for standing on a chair and pointing out their misogynistic nonsense.

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AlisonDonut · 28/05/2024 20:59

Watfrordmummy · 28/05/2024 20:27

What equality act legislation has been broken?

KLPA have always acted as inclusive and within the law.

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Why were the objections to the consultation completely ignored back in what was it, 2019 ish?

Was that a City of London decision or your KLPA decision?

Did KPLA get sight of all the objections that were never published?

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 28/05/2024 20:56

MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 17:15

Venice has been expelled from the Ladies Pond. It means nothing really as they are just a stakeholder group, but it makes them look terrible like little authoritarian ignoramuses.

Here's Venice's tweet with their silly email. x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1795437142757532118?s=46

She'll still be able to swim, she just won't be allowed to attend the utterly pointless but entertaining AGM.

It's interesting because they sent an email round a few weeks ago asking members to agree to the constitution and if anyone failed to agree then they would be expected to leave the KLPA.

Seems like a case of " I can still swim there, but I'm sulking over the fact that they won't let me take the piss out of them or stand on a chair and shout?"

Edited to say this says it all
won't be allowed to attend the utterly pointless but entertaining AGM
Sounds like will be there in totally good faith.

DrSpartacular · 28/05/2024 20:53

Watfrordmummy · 28/05/2024 20:27

What equality act legislation has been broken?

KLPA have always acted as inclusive and within the law.

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Erm, have you missed the Maya Forstater case?

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 20:42

@PencilsInSpace ah, interesting.

Thanks.

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PencilsInSpace · 28/05/2024 20:40

If they have at least 25 members then they come under the Equality Act as an association.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 20:32

@Watfrordmummy lol and lol at 'inclusive within the law'. Yep, so inclusive you support the erosion of women's hard won sex based rights. I think it's called dick pandering.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 20:31

@Watfrordmummy the pond allowing men in does indicate a misunderstanding of the Equality act which does allow women access to single sex spaces.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 20:28

@Karensalright there is currently no legal precedent and City of London are fully corrupted as far as trans ideology is concerned, so a complaint would do nothing,

An actual court case would be fun and probably successful though.

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Watfrordmummy · 28/05/2024 20:27

DrSpartacular · 28/05/2024 20:12

I hope she takes legal action.

Equality Act will apply, surely.

What equality act legislation has been broken?

KLPA have always acted as inclusive and within the law.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 20:26

@DrSpartacular don't know. Surely it's legal to have a shared interest stakeholder group. I'm in a couple of terf groupsband obvs a tra would be ejected. I wonder if that's how KLPA see themselves.
OTOH KLPA existed prior to it being corrupted with trans ideology and every time they to get a twaw vote through, it fails. I would guess that apx 30% of membership is politically active terf and another sizeable chunk who definitely don't think twaw but don't like the politics and the way the terf lot handled the AGM etc.

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Karensalright · 28/05/2024 20:16

If i were her i would complain to the LA not about exclusion but about sex discrimination, under the Equalities Act, misunderstanding about the exclusions permissible, as described by the Equalities commission.

DrSpartacular · 28/05/2024 20:12

I hope she takes legal action.

Equality Act will apply, surely.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 19:52

@Watfrordmummy lucky you. What do you mean?

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