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Venice Expelled from KLPA (Ladies Pond(

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 17:15

Venice has been expelled from the Ladies Pond. It means nothing really as they are just a stakeholder group, but it makes them look terrible like little authoritarian ignoramuses.

Here's Venice's tweet with their silly email. x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1795437142757532118?s=46

She'll still be able to swim, she just won't be allowed to attend the utterly pointless but entertaining AGM.

It's interesting because they sent an email round a few weeks ago asking members to agree to the constitution and if anyone failed to agree then they would be expected to leave the KLPA.

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DialSquare · 29/05/2024 12:16

Incidentally, it's National Biscuit Day today.

Peskysquirrel · 29/05/2024 12:07

Add it to the bingo card

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 12:05

It's not very good is it? 😆

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Peskysquirrel · 29/05/2024 12:03

Something like that I guess. An oh-so-hilarious way of shutting people down

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 12:01

@Peskysquirrel thanks. Is it "shut up and have a biscuit"?

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Peskysquirrel · 29/05/2024 11:53

What's the biscuit thing?

It's a tedious symbol used by posters who don't have an argument and won't engage properly

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 11:51

@GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight
The thing is, yes, I do think that, but the reason is that these women refuse to argue their case. They just enforce a policy and won't allow discussion of it.

What's the biscuit thing?

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GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 29/05/2024 11:47

Prove me wrong

🙄 Biscuit

You've clearly made your mind up, so no point engaging with someone who thinks women who don't agree with you are weak, misguided daft woke children.
They have a mind of their own.
Stick to your echo chamber, you clearly sound more comfortable in it.

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 11:40

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 29/05/2024 09:48

weak and/or corrupted women

Weak, corrupted women?!
Wow.

Yes, from my earlier post:
'The committee fall in to three categories; 1) those that truly believe the gender crap because they are daft woke children who have been miseducated. 2) virtue signalling middle aged women who believe it because they are achingly left wing and want to be kind but refuse to actually critically learn about the facts of the argument and 3) those who feel the gender crap is wrong and dangerous but they have their fingers in their ears and their hands over their mouths because they don't want to be alienated from their friends and they don't want to be associated with the terfs. It's inexcusable.'

Prove me wrong.

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Helleofabore · 29/05/2024 10:08

"In the real world outside communities like here and twitter, people generally aren't gender critical and won't stand for transphobia."

You must live in a bubble of people who are either not discussing it with you or who believe in that particular philosophical belief to make this statement.

Because this statement falls apart whenever a new poll is done. They may not label themselves as 'gender critical', (I don't use that label and I know many feminists who reject it), but when directly asked the question 'do you agree with male people with a penis accessing female toilets, the answer is a clear 'no''. It is also strong with 'do you agree with male people with trans identities competing as a female athlete in sports'.

So, however you like to try to state 'people generally aren't gender critical', the fact remains that in the UK the majority of the population do not fully support male people accessing female single sex spaces or sports. It is rather the opposite to what you have tried to claim.

VinnieVanDog · 29/05/2024 10:06

Sounds so ridiculous when people say it's 'transphobic' to want female-only spaces.

Datun · 29/05/2024 09:49

Christinapple · 29/05/2024 08:18

Because this isn't about women's rights. It's about hate, she's transphobic which is clearly shown by her using very hateful slurs on social media as mentioned.

"stand on a chair and voice her concerns louder than the other shouting."

I saw the video, noone other than her was shouting. She had the same opportunity as everyone else to vote and have her say, she was just shouting because she disliked the fact her viewpoint wasn't shared.

The decision (made by other women) to kick her out was unanimous. In the real world outside communities like here and twitter, people generally aren't gender critical and won't stand for transphobia.

"The decision (made by other women) to kick her out was unanimous. In the real world outside communities like here and twitter, people generally aren't gender critical and won't stand for transphobia."

And yet...

but the committee was newly voted in at that meeting and consisted of twelve women who all purported to believe in trans ideology

The committee of weak and/or corrupted women is not representative of the KLPA membership as a whole, far less regular pond swimmers who are npt members of KLPA

You can't seriously believe that most women using a women only pool suddenly don't care if it's women only.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 29/05/2024 09:48

weak and/or corrupted women

Weak, corrupted women?!
Wow.

changeison · 29/05/2024 09:42

@Christinapple you're completely wrong that people in the real world don't care about these issues. Have a look:

sex-matters.org/posts/single-sex-services/less-than-a-third-of-brits-agree-with-stonewall/

SinnerBoy · 29/05/2024 09:35

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · Today 09:17

She was the only one shouting from what I saw. . Nobody else was saying anything so bit of a misleading post there

There was a right old racket in the background, she had to be loud to be heard.

SinnerBoy · 29/05/2024 09:34

*Christinapple · Today 08:18

Because this isn't about women's rights. It's about hate, she's transphobic which is clearly shown by her using very hateful slurs on social media as mentioned.

Oh, you are a card! Have you any links to that?

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 09:30

The committee of weak and/or corrupted women is not representative of the KLPA membership as a whole, far less regular pond swimmers who are npt members of KLPA

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 09:29

@GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight
They wouldn't let her speak.

It was actually a moment which has been noted and will be remembered.

The decision made by the committee was unanimous, but the committee was newly voted in at that meeting and consisted of twelve women who all purported to believe in trans ideology. The gender critical member was voted out, and none of the new gender critical candidates were voted in. KLPA has made itself a silo.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 09:24

@Christinapple
Is it hateful to not want men in women's spaces, even if they say they are women?
Is it hateful to NEVER EVER see a man as being a woman regardless of the lengths he has gone to; surgeries, make-up, clothes?

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GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 29/05/2024 09:17

SinnerBoy · 29/05/2024 06:21

How dare she have had enough! At being ignored and told to shut up, so much so that she felt that she had to stand on a chair and voice her concerns louder than the other shouting.

A disgrace, amarite?

She was the only one shouting from what I saw. . Nobody else was saying anything so bit of a misleading post there.

BoudiccaOfSuburbia · 29/05/2024 08:25

I had planned a visit to the Ladies Pond this summer but no way, with any risk of the voyeuristic and creepy behaviour described by some other users.

Not transphobic but I don’t want to be in a secluded women’s space with male bodied people.

Christinapple · 29/05/2024 08:18

SinnerBoy · 29/05/2024 06:21

How dare she have had enough! At being ignored and told to shut up, so much so that she felt that she had to stand on a chair and voice her concerns louder than the other shouting.

A disgrace, amarite?

Because this isn't about women's rights. It's about hate, she's transphobic which is clearly shown by her using very hateful slurs on social media as mentioned.

"stand on a chair and voice her concerns louder than the other shouting."

I saw the video, noone other than her was shouting. She had the same opportunity as everyone else to vote and have her say, she was just shouting because she disliked the fact her viewpoint wasn't shared.

The decision (made by other women) to kick her out was unanimous. In the real world outside communities like here and twitter, people generally aren't gender critical and won't stand for transphobia.

SinnerBoy · 29/05/2024 06:21

How dare she have had enough! At being ignored and told to shut up, so much so that she felt that she had to stand on a chair and voice her concerns louder than the other shouting.

A disgrace, amarite?

zen1 · 29/05/2024 01:17

It is not transphobic for women to express their concerns about sharing a designated female space with male-bodied people. If a lot of women are worried about the impact of sharing the female pond with those who are not the same sex, why shouldn’t they put their thoughts in writing?

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