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Venice Expelled from KLPA (Ladies Pond(

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 28/05/2024 17:15

Venice has been expelled from the Ladies Pond. It means nothing really as they are just a stakeholder group, but it makes them look terrible like little authoritarian ignoramuses.

Here's Venice's tweet with their silly email. x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1795437142757532118?s=46

She'll still be able to swim, she just won't be allowed to attend the utterly pointless but entertaining AGM.

It's interesting because they sent an email round a few weeks ago asking members to agree to the constitution and if anyone failed to agree then they would be expected to leave the KLPA.

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YourPinkDog · 29/05/2024 20:32

@MidnightPondSwimmer are you saying people who think they are a different sex do not exist?

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 20:29

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 20:27

**the WORM has turned

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 20:27

I find the word cisgender extremely offensive. I've never heard it used in a normal conversation so I don't think normal people use it.

I'm guessing you're a bloke @Christinappl, sorry if you're not. Trans rights activists have been extraordinarily successful at getting policies, language etc etc changes behind the scenes, so the default position has become that we let men in women's spaces and that there's such a word as 'cisgender', but no more Dearie. The work has turned and we're not bloody having it. Absolutely not to 'cis', ever, and absolutely not to pretending men are women, ever.

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YourPinkDog · 29/05/2024 20:25

Calling a whole group of people names is always discrimination.

WickedSerious · 29/05/2024 20:24

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YourPinkDog · 29/05/2024 20:23

AlisonDonut · 29/05/2024 19:20

But calling women who object to men in the ladies pond 'bigots' is totally fine?

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No it is not.
But people wrongly calling you a bigot, is not a reason to be transphobic.

Christinapple · 29/05/2024 20:17

Tallisker · 29/05/2024 19:58

But it's in the dictionary! Isn't that what we're told when we object to 'cis'? It's just a dictionary word so it must be ok to use it to describe someone.

Cisgender and its prefix cis are indeed listed in dictionaries with given definitions, and are not described as derogatory.

From the dictionaries I've just checked (dictionary.com, Collins and Merriam-Web) there are no definitions for "troon" in this context. So it's not "in the dictionary".

It is listed on urban-dictionary if that counts and Wiktionary as:
"noun: (Internet slang, derogatory, offensive) A transgender person."

Summary:
Cisgender: A valid word found in all major dictionaries, none of them describe it as offensive.

Troon: A slang offensive derogatory term. Not found in major dictionaries, just informal internet slang websites.

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MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 20:16

I think we've been misusing the word Troon. It's quite a useful word actually.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Troons&page=2

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Tallisker · 29/05/2024 19:58

But it's in the dictionary! Isn't that what we're told when we object to 'cis'? It's just a dictionary word so it must be ok to use it to describe someone.

Karensalright · 29/05/2024 19:31

What “group” ?

AlisonDonut · 29/05/2024 19:20

YourPinkDog · 29/05/2024 19:14

Calling a whole group of people names would be seen by most people as transphobic.

But calling women who object to men in the ladies pond 'bigots' is totally fine?

YourPinkDog · 29/05/2024 19:14

Calling a whole group of people names would be seen by most people as transphobic.

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 19:05

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Christinapple · 29/05/2024 18:03

Here's a quick selection of what she tweets and retweets on twitter. She seems to have deleted all her tweets before the start of this month for some reason, but don't worry many of her hateful tweets are on web archive as proof this is about hate and not actual "women's rights".

For anyone unaware, the word "troon" is a derogatory hateful term for trans people. It is used mainly on sites such as 4chan, kiwifarms and (since Elon Musk took over) now on twitter. It is recognised as a hateful slur by other sites such as reddit and facebook who will issue bans for using it.

Venice Expelled from KLPA (Ladies Pond(
Christinapple · 29/05/2024 17:40

MidnightPondSwimmer · 29/05/2024 09:29

@GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight
They wouldn't let her speak.

It was actually a moment which has been noted and will be remembered.

The decision made by the committee was unanimous, but the committee was newly voted in at that meeting and consisted of twelve women who all purported to believe in trans ideology. The gender critical member was voted out, and none of the new gender critical candidates were voted in. KLPA has made itself a silo.

They are women. Or do the views of women not count if they don't agree with the gender critical viewpoint?

"Let women speak. No not that one, no not that one either, only the women who agree with me are allowed to speak!!!"

"who all purported to believe in trans ideology"

Or maybe they just want meetings where people speak in a civil manner without standing on a chair shrieking? Maybe they also don't want members who go on social media posting hateful slurs?

YourPinkDog · 29/05/2024 15:57

It is not okay to disrupt a meeting so badly it needs to be closed down.

Datun · 29/05/2024 14:40

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 29/05/2024 11:47

Prove me wrong

🙄 Biscuit

You've clearly made your mind up, so no point engaging with someone who thinks women who don't agree with you are weak, misguided daft woke children.
They have a mind of their own.
Stick to your echo chamber, you clearly sound more comfortable in it.

You've clearly made your mind up, so no point engaging with someone who thinks women who don't agree with you are weak, misguided daft woke children.

why don't you just address her points and come up with an alternative to what she's saying, in that case.

WickedSerious · 29/05/2024 13:17

SinnerBoy · 29/05/2024 09:34

*Christinapple · Today 08:18

Because this isn't about women's rights. It's about hate, she's transphobic which is clearly shown by her using very hateful slurs on social media as mentioned.

Oh, you are a card! Have you any links to that?

Yes please,I love a good slur.

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/05/2024 12:57

Christinapple · 29/05/2024 01:08

What do you mean by mass emails to them?

A campaign to flood them with transphobic emails isn't going to make them change their stance on anything and will likely just make them double-down on their support for trans people. It may also potentially be illegal to incite many people to harass an org.

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I wasn’t inciting , I was wondering

RufustheFactualReindeer · 29/05/2024 12:52

And it shouldnt be a deletable offence as its a mumsnet approved emoji meaning ‘no comment’

RufustheFactualReindeer · 29/05/2024 12:51

Biscuit literally means ‘no comment’…or rather it did

Waitwhat23 · 29/05/2024 12:45

The biscuit thing is on the same lines as giving a biscuit or snack to a small child who (because they are hangry) is having a face down screaming tantrum. It's patronising.

It's also a deletable offense as I've seen posts with biscuits being deleted before. Not something I would report myself as it just seems petty but I have seen it happen.

Peskysquirrel · 29/05/2024 12:18

DialSquare · 29/05/2024 12:16

Incidentally, it's National Biscuit Day today.

Now that is hilarious! 😂

What a coincidence!