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Horrific Drag Race has anybody seen this?? **MNHQ CONTENT WARNING FOR GRAPHIC IMAGE***

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Blackcats7 · 27/05/2024 12:25

I can't believe my eyes. Season 9 apparently. Bloody breast tissue in the bag. Sickening.

Horrific Drag Race has anybody seen this?? **MNHQ CONTENT WARNING FOR GRAPHIC IMAGE***
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IwantToRetire · 28/05/2024 17:50

AGlinnerOfHope · 27/05/2024 18:47

I was less offended by this. I saw it as a skit based on the film, not the actual events.

I found the film pretty tasteless, and don’t see this sketch as any worse. I prefer his unabashedly male body in a ridiculous outfit to the usual female parody.

It reminded me more of mime or Greek tragedy, than drag.

The problem is you may because of lack of personal context just see it as a skit about a film. But for those who have suffered loss through drowning do not experience that.

Although I am sure many drag acts will be happy that you just see it as performance, art. No doubt some will say that the "breast" performance is good personal therapy for the performer.

But the issue is why are these been lauded and thought acceptable to be normalised by being included in a show?

And althought the OP example is not on mainstream tv so we dont know the audience reaction, in the example I gave the judges applauded it but the audience thought the opposite.

So both examples are on an arc of exhibitionism that may have a place in some obscure club, but the issue is that they have both been broadcast on tv.

How is it that broadcasters have thought this okay, and inevitably, after each "breakthrough" in pushing the boundaries they are inevitably going to look for something a bit more shocking.

IdealHomeExhibition · 28/05/2024 17:27

Ugh and I thought it was bad enough when drag race did 'looks' of children's TV shows and characters like blue Peter and the beano

StealthSpinach · 28/05/2024 16:13

ArabellaScott · 28/05/2024 15:54

Is it a part of Vimeo?

The address given in the terms section is a video email address.

This is in their terms, btw:

'6.2 Content Restrictions

You may not submit any content that:
Infringes any third party’s copyrights or other rights (e.g., trademark, privacy rights, etc.);
Is sexually explicit or promotes a sexual service;
Is defamatory;
Is harassing or abusive;
Contains hateful or discriminatory speech;
Promotes or supports terror or hate groups;
Contains instructions on how to assemble explosive/incendiary devices or homemade/improvised firearms;
Exploits or endangers minors;
Depicts or encourages self-harm or suicide;
Depicts (1) unlawful real-world acts of extreme violence, or (2) animal cruelty or extreme violence towards animals;
Promotes fraudulent or dubious money-making schemes, proposes an unlawful transaction, or uses deceptive marketing practices;
Contains false or misleading claims about (1) vaccination safety, or (2) health-related information that has a serious potential to cause public harm'

my bold.

Would emailing them with a copy of the photo not violate their own communication conditions?

EasternStandard · 28/05/2024 16:09

AngeloMysterioso · 28/05/2024 15:44

Among the people applauding this on Instagram are Ariana Grande, Paris Hilton, Jeremy Scott and Brian Atwood.

Eugh

TheMarzipanDildo · 28/05/2024 16:06

Brewdug · 27/05/2024 17:27

Unfortunately this is how some quarters see fit to frame it.

Idiots.

This is the glamorisation of self harm on TV. It’s not right wing to find that disturbing.

I usually find the makeup fucking terrifying but I don’t mind drag as a concept. This is not just drag though.

ArabellaScott · 28/05/2024 15:54

helloisitmeyourelookingfor · 28/05/2024 15:24

It's not on bbc or paramount

It's aired in the uk by wow presents plus -a subscription service

www.wowpresentsplus.com/contact/support

Link if anyone wants to contact them to complain

Is it a part of Vimeo?

The address given in the terms section is a video email address.

This is in their terms, btw:

'6.2 Content Restrictions

You may not submit any content that:
Infringes any third party’s copyrights or other rights (e.g., trademark, privacy rights, etc.);
Is sexually explicit or promotes a sexual service;
Is defamatory;
Is harassing or abusive;
Contains hateful or discriminatory speech;
Promotes or supports terror or hate groups;
Contains instructions on how to assemble explosive/incendiary devices or homemade/improvised firearms;
Exploits or endangers minors;
Depicts or encourages self-harm or suicide;
Depicts (1) unlawful real-world acts of extreme violence, or (2) animal cruelty or extreme violence towards animals;
Promotes fraudulent or dubious money-making schemes, proposes an unlawful transaction, or uses deceptive marketing practices;
Contains false or misleading claims about (1) vaccination safety, or (2) health-related information that has a serious potential to cause public harm'

my bold.

AngeloMysterioso · 28/05/2024 15:44

Among the people applauding this on Instagram are Ariana Grande, Paris Hilton, Jeremy Scott and Brian Atwood.

Abeona · 28/05/2024 15:36

ArabellaScott · 28/05/2024 14:42

For the record, I will shortly being donning my cagoule and going off to canvass for my sitting Labour MP. If anyone opens their door and asks me what a woman is and how can I support the Labour Party when it doesn't support single-sex spaces, I'm going to agree with them and tell them that I have no idea how I'm going to vote on 4 July if Starmer keeps this shit going.

Perhaps this is why so many women in their 50s have left the labour market claiming back and neck trouble. I seem to know so many women who've decided that a precarious financial existence is preferable to having to go to work every day and endure the BS.

helloisitmeyourelookingfor · 28/05/2024 15:24

It's not on bbc or paramount

It's aired in the uk by wow presents plus -a subscription service

www.wowpresentsplus.com/contact/support

Link if anyone wants to contact them to complain

DameMaud · 28/05/2024 15:22

CrossPurposes · 28/05/2024 15:17

If Newsweek writer was so confident of his position where is an image of the performance in question in that piece?

Thank you! I had exactly the same thought.

CrossPurposes · 28/05/2024 15:17

ArabellaScott · 28/05/2024 14:42

If Newsweek writer was so confident of his position where is an image of the performance in question in that piece?

IfMichaelMosleysVoiceWasWrittenasMusicalScore · 28/05/2024 15:04

HoneyButterPopcorn · 28/05/2024 14:56

Why do the have such ugly hatched faces?

Because they feel so threatened by the strength of women.

EasternStandard · 28/05/2024 15:02

ArabellaScott · 28/05/2024 14:42

Maybe they should consider the damage shown on this thread

HoneyButterPopcorn · 28/05/2024 14:56

Why do the have such ugly hatched faces?

EdithStourton · 28/05/2024 14:25

Thinking some more about this (and NOT looking at that pictures again), as I think others have said, this has crystallised my views on drag. I've shifted over the years from thinking, 'Meh, not my thing, vaguely entertaining' to 'Um, this pisses me off and I don't like it but let people get on with it if it's their thing' to today, 'Oh, just fuck off with this shit!'

Pride is about to hit our local small town. The FB post with all the flyers is out, and it's 70% drag, including a drag story hour. The rest seems to be things like the raffle...

I have a gay friend who lives about 150 yards from what will be Pride epicentre on the big day who emphatically does NOT want a pride advert board on his lawn. He says he has no idea why the QTI got tacked onto the LGB and detests the word queer ('That's what you used to hear when someone was about to beat you up').

I'm seeing him this evening. I might sound him out on drag...

IfMichaelMosleysVoiceWasWrittenasMusicalScore · 28/05/2024 14:12

Might try and speak to her after this atrocity but it is a fine line between giving information and not wanting to try and push my views on to friends.

@Blackcats7 asking careful questions might be more productive than anything else. Good luck.

SoundTheSirens · 28/05/2024 14:09

Tallisker · 27/05/2024 15:03

Fuck. I've just had a mastectomy due to cancer and this has made me sick to my stomach and wanting to cry for my horrible but necessary mutilation. Fuck fuck fuck. I can't do this any more.

Oh Tallisker. I hope you're okay. Sending you love and strength and all good wishes for a full recovery. This is doubly vile that it's made you feel like this.

Grammarnut · 28/05/2024 14:05

TrulyFubar · 27/05/2024 12:39

GottMik is a Trans Man. Had you watched the episode and listened to his explanation, the look was regarding his own top surgery.

That doesn't make it better. A mentally ill woman has her breasts chopped off and then makes a disgusting video about it, with 'breast tissue' in a bag. Well, at least we can see how sick she is. Poor woman.

Blackcats7 · 28/05/2024 13:54

Just wanted to say thank you mumsnet hq for the warning added. I didn't know how to hide the picture and thought the title gave enough warning. Apologies to anybody who saw the picture and wishes they hadn't.
As pp have said this is not yet on the bbc but Drag Race is reglarly on the bbc and is heavily promoted which shows the bbc condones the shows content and direction.
I have a friend who goes to "drag bingo" every week who doesn't think any more about it than it is vulgar humour which she clearly finds funny. I have to sit on my hands whenever she posts pics on her fb from her latest night out. Might try and speak to her after this atrocity but it is a fine line between giving information and not wanting to try and push my views on to friends.
I think a huge number of people just aren't aware of the harm what started as one thing with the likes of Lily Savage's entertaining social commentary has done as it becomes more and more sexist and extreme and morphs into outright misogyny like this horror.

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oolovelycuppa · 28/05/2024 12:16

Film censors in the UK used to edit any ‘self-mutilation’ out of media to be shown here. I wish we still had that kind of safeguarding practise.

AderynBach · 28/05/2024 11:46

I saw it on Twitter. It's beyond belief (almost - sadly this is where we are).

CrossPurposes · 28/05/2024 11:45

https://x.com/adammcarter/status/1791225732594581831

For those on Twix a thread of recent BBC news items on drag.

x.com

https://x.com/adammcarter/status/1791225732594581831

ArabellaScott · 28/05/2024 11:32

Abeona · 28/05/2024 10:40

I'm presuming this is the BBC — sorry, don't watch anything like this and I'm not interested in googling.

Complain to the BBC here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints/make-a-complaint/#/Complaint

Tim Davie is the director general: write to him via the BBC or you could try [email protected]

We have to complain and keep on complaining. And we need to ask Today, now Emma Barnett is on it, to discuss it.

Have Cancer Research and other breast cancer charities spoken out or are the silenced? They need to be speaking up about the distress that breast cancer sufferers feel when confronted by these images.

I have a Jewish friend who is living with cancer which started as breast cancer some years ago. She saw this image on Twitter and is now, I think, approaching the edge of a breakdown. The combination of a woman who has mutilated herself in order to participate with men in misogyny, plus the reports of women murdered by Hamas terrorists and having their breasts cut off, plus fear that whenever she next has to go into hospital she may be confronted by a virtue-signalling, anti-Semitic person or a male person when she has asked for female care, is too much for her. On top of that is all the distress of a woman who has had years on the cancer roller-coaster, clear at one test, back in treatment and with a worsening prognosis year after year. And the knowledge that young autistic girls going through a difficult puberty will think that lopping your breasts off is glamorous and fierce. What an absolute shitstorm.

I'm not buying a new TV licence when it comes due for renewal. We just won't watch the BBC. That won't be difficult. I hope thousands of others refuse too.

Edited

I don't think this episode has been on the BBC, but they do show Drag Race, I think? At this point it just looks like outrageous woman hatred being pushed by our national broadcaster.

The amount of 'drag' output the BBC have overall is absurd.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07kt8b4

BBC Three - RuPaul's Drag Race UK

RuPaul makes the trip across the pond in search of the most charismatic queen in the land.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p07kt8b4