Countries that are truly liberal, safe, and not captured by gender ideology?

I’d sooner stick pins in my eyes than live in Israel.

Terf island or perhaps Israel are where we need to be.

They're all countries run by and for men.

The trans rights people care about are for trans identified men. They're the ones encroaching on women's rights and eroding women and children's safety. Does anyone care if a trans man (woman) enters a male space or sport? No because power imbalance.

We need a matriarchy.

Needed to read that this morning. Thank you!

France and Italy don't seem too absorbed by it. Japan and Korea also.

I hope so. I think we’re strong, speak clearly and mn helps us talk about it together

The Cass review is a good example of post gender shift. It’s sensible and respected

We need more in that direction

Labour are concerning as some of their MPs are very tied to gender ideology and they created the issue with the GRA, which they’ll defend

But Scotland Isla Bryson spooked them a bit tg

Court cases are another good way, they tend to help by going our way

Not called “TERF Island” for nothing 😉

England. And even a Labour government will not silence us.
We have the strongest women in this respect in the world. And the best lawyers.

Given the countries listed here, we need a new definition of “liberal”: Sweden and Iran couldn’t be more dissimilar yet both allow men to “be women”. Neither care one jot for safeguarding women and children, clearly. At least we already knew this about Iran, but Sweden - ?

Of course it does. Better to have a man ‘be a woman’ than a gay man (given homosexuality is illegal there).

Bet there aren’t many women identifying as men. Or if there are - I wonder if the men treat the ‘trans man’ as a man. 🤔 (*of course they don’t)

If Labour were biological realists, I’d say England is the best place to be. Unfortunately with their (essentially) self ID policy and looming general election win, sadly not England anymore.

Florida?

Iran does it to trans away the gay. I guess Pakistan must be similar.

Iran's the same, isn't it?

I'm surprised that Pakistan allows self-ID

The UK (or mainly the English??) have a historically longer and culturally more embedded sense of rights than any other group I can think of.

It makes sense to me that they'd be better able to handle the concepts of universal rights (including women!) and competing rights.

If you can hold both those thoughts in your mind at once, you're automatically a terf. Trans ideology requires erasing women as step one. And at least in the US, competing rights give people mental breakdowns. So complicated! That's why so many free speech absolutists and libertarians here.

I think part of the answer has to be tempering idealism with pragmatism. I don't think the situation is hopeless.

@fromorbit 👏

I think we’re top but we’re about to have a GE

We have to face the reality, that Terf Island is the best available option.

It seems so. I thought Sweden was having second thoughts, but it seems there, it's one step forward, and one step back.

We have to face the reality, that Terf Island is the best available option.

Yes women's rights are under attack, but we are the only country where there is enough support society wide that a fightback is happening, not from the right, but by a movement that unites left, centre and right. I genuinely think that long term the attempt to crush women's resistance in the UK is going to fail. It will take years to fight back, but we have an ever expanding network of people fighting for the rights of women and gay people .

Our side is getting stronger, despite setbacks. SEEN networks are being established in all branches of our society and are legally protected and are only going to grow and become more powerful.

Our Free Speech protection movement is gathering strength too.

Every day the sexist horrors of the gender movement are being more widely reported. People are not going to put up with it.

Obviously fighting against Labour is going to be difficult, but Scottish women already wrecked the SNP. Teaching Starmer a lesson is not going to be anymore difficult than taking on Sturgeon.

This election might not be decided on women's rights, but the election in 2028 will look very different.

I don't know why we are different, but I genuinely think it is something to do with deep embedded nature of our society and country. There was a reason that Mary Wollstonecraft came from the UK. There is a reason that we have Mumsnet. There is a reason Britannica has a trident.

For those who think we are going to be defeated, there is a key problem. We have BETTER LAWYERS. In a country based on hundreds of years of laws that matters.

Hello do you have a link to the ted Cruz judge thing please

@HelenaRavenclaw That's probably where I'm at too. America's a funny place really because they seem completely divided by a shared set of values. You an have someone talking about "freedom/individual liberty", "protecting children", "the other side banning books" "fighting totalitarianism" etc etc and its a complete toss up whether they are a hard core republican (US party) or a hard core liberal (US party).

Except for Iran which is far from liberal but OK with transgender (comparatively). Or South American countries which tend to be much more socially conservative but have embraced gender ideology to differing extents (even though there is still lots of genuine discrimination/violence at ground level). Or India. Or, closer to home, somewhere like Malta which has fairly illiberal policies when it comes to e.g. abortion but is super keen on trans rights.

I just don't think seeing the world through this very American prism is helpful. Of course, we have lots in common in America and its good to see where there are similarities (e.g. the eagerness of many left wing parties to pivot to identity style politics) but there are lots of ways in which the American political landscape does not = the UK or the world more generally.