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Advice please: Dreading TRA friend's visit

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BetsyBobbin · 20/05/2024 23:22

My husband has a friend from school who's coming to stay in our city this bank holiday. Although I'm friendly with her she was never my actual friend so I never knew her well.

She'll be here for four days and is staying with a gay couple whom she's friends with and who are very much part of the blue hair/alphabet soup brigade as far as I could see (she created a WhatsApp group and included all of us in, some brief conversations have been had). Outings as a large group have been organised.

She started following me on social media recently and I followed her back just to be gobsmacked by what I saw. Yes, you can guess, all the TWAW stuff.

Now, this woman is an educated person, works as a public defender and has an eight year old daughter and I just don't understand for the life of me how can someone who who works in law and has a daughter could be so captured like that (I do have theories but never mind that now).

Now, I'm staunchly GC. Having said that, I don't want to cause any drama and I'm hoping that those outings will be finished sooner than you can say "JK Rowling". BUT, if anything remotely TRA related is brought up I don't trust myself to remain silent.

I'm obviously not changing anyone's mind in a brief conversation but is there anything that I can say that could at least plant a seed of doubt in her head? I really don't want to get into long arguments trying to explain autogynephilia and what could happen to her daughter in a changing room but like I said, I don't trust myself to be quiet either.

I'm dreading this whole situation, send help please.

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Dabralor · 21/05/2024 06:06

I doubt the sole focus of the trip is to promote her views on trans rights op.

She might not even mention it because she's busy catching up with her friends and having a nice weekend?

And, even if she does, she's entitled to think what she likes. She has her views and you have yours.

Ho early I don't see why there should be any drama here. Just have a nice weekend and appreciate each other as people and not keyboard warriors.

Nellodee · 21/05/2024 05:55

Could you not try, “Can we avoid contentious political issues, please?” and if they push it, “I think one of the biggest problems is unthinking tribalism and the inability to tolerate differing viewpoints without shutting them down.”

lonelywater · 21/05/2024 01:48

why would you want to plant a seed of doubt in her head? The full on TRA types are literally beyond reason (if you actually believe you can change sex by saying so, then reality is not for you). I would go totally no debate-but if they pushed it they would get both barrels.

ChinaBlueBell · 21/05/2024 01:26

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 01:07

If you have an issue with gay people and/or people who support trans rights, I suggest letting them know as soon as you can. It will prevent further and bigger problems further down the line.

Letting them know? It’s the Op’s personal business. This is not 1984.

ThreeWordHarpy · 21/05/2024 01:13

This seems to be a common topic for threads at the moment.

is there anything that I can say that could at least plant a seed of doubt in her head?

Probably not. There’s no point getting into arguments that will spoil a weekend with friends, and you’re not going to change anyone’s mind by the sound of it. It’s possible to be friends with people who hold different worldviews than yourself. So you either say nothing, leave the room or change the topic if it comes up. “Oh you know what they say, never discuss sex or politics or religion. Man City winning the league again eh, do you think they’ll do the double too?”

Change or avoid the topic enough times it will be clear you hold different opinions. If they’re genuinely interested in knowing why they’ll ask you.

Delphinium20 · 21/05/2024 01:11

I hear you. I have friends like this. They aren't argumentative as much as they act like born again evangelicals. "Isn't it just wonderful how kids have language now to describe their fluid selves?" Or "poor transgirls are the most oppressed people who ever walked the Earth." "SHE is so stunning I could never wear that so well." That kind of silliness.

In response I occasionally roll my eyes or give an ironic laugh (a few snorts work too) but I don't argue much anymore with them because they are so brainwashed it's an emotional block. Cognitive dissonance just makes them dig in further into their beliefs. Laughing lightly and changing the subject is a far more effective strategy in social situations IMO. Sometimes a skeptical look and a "ok, then. Anyone want more pretzels?" Is the best way to handle the extreme faithful.

Christinapple · 21/05/2024 01:07

If you have an issue with gay people and/or people who support trans rights, I suggest letting them know as soon as you can. It will prevent further and bigger problems further down the line.

OhcantthInkofaname · 21/05/2024 00:39

Once the subject is mentioned go home!

GeorgeOrwellsTurningGrave · 21/05/2024 00:25

I feel for you, I really do. How about this: try to care less about what they think and change the subject if it comes up. It can be difficult to remember that lots of people dont think too deeply about this stuff, they just buy into a set of prescribed beliefs cos its easy. I agree, to a degree, that there's a time and place for reasoned debate but this scenario isn't it unless you want things to get really awkward around the breakfast cereal. If they are argumentative gender missionaries, they might persist, and if they do, politely put the onus on them: ask open questions, make them elaborate on any thought terminating cliches, be friendly-curious about how they came to their extraordinary claims. Amd why they are so invested. Shrug and don't let it define their stay. Don't try to change their minds (for true believers, its a cult, and everyone else is hotly defensive for not thinking it through properly). You may think less of their critical thinking skills and thats okay. Agree to disagree and model tolerance for diversity of thought (and lack of it). Good luck!

Betweenthe2 · 21/05/2024 00:22

Your contempt for her is obvious in your post. Can't you make an excuse and let your husband see his friend alone? It sounds like that would be the most comfortable option for all concerned.

WandsOut · 21/05/2024 00:17

Minimal engagement and attention, don't get drawn in.
It's quite interesting to watch these types of converts.

Orders76 · 21/05/2024 00:05

No engagement. If really pushed I just advocate for my kids

redalex261 · 20/05/2024 23:56

I wouldn't volunteer anything. However, if she made some kind of inane GI statement or asked you to comment or agree on said statement I would not be able to shut my face. I would be so tempted to leave my well worn copy of TRANS Gender Identity and the New Battle for Women’s Rights sitting on the arm of the sofa like this…..would that be too naughty? Maybe she’d pick it up!

Advice please: Dreading TRA friend's visit
BetsyBobbin · 20/05/2024 23:34

Do you mean stay quiet for the whole time? 🤐😂 Or only if anything is mentioned?
God, I'm having cold sweats already.

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NotbloodyGivingupYet · 20/05/2024 23:28

Same. No point.

EggcornAcorn · 20/05/2024 23:24

Honestly? I wouldn't engage.

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