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Breakthrough - LGB Alliance meet with Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities

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fromorbit · 15/05/2024 09:11

Four years after starting LGB Alliance finally yesterday have had a formal meeting with a senior figure in Labour, Anneliese Dodds, Shadow Secretary of State for Women and Equalities, Chair of the Labour Party.

LGB Alliance
Our thanks to the Chair of The Labour Party, Anneliese Dodds MP, for meeting with us for a productive discussion about our work.

India Willoughby is having a sane reaction to someone talking to some gay people: "This is the equivalent of meeting the KKK."

Lots of similar takes online from TRAs. The LGBT Labour response was less ranty, but equally overboard.

LGBTLabour
We’re incredibly disappointed in Anneliese Dodd’s decision to meet with the LGB Alliance, a fringe group which undermines our fight for LGBT+ equality. (1/2)

We’ll be seeking an explanation from Anneliese’s office, as well as reassurances on the Labour leadership’s policy commitments to LGBT+ people – including Trans people – on hate crime, healthcare, conversion therapy, gender recognition reform and more. (2/2)

Meanwhile in reality world:

LesbianLabour
Well done AllianceLGB & AnnelieseDodds getting together for an initial meeting, let us hope there will be more meetings in the future when LesbianLabour, ScotLesbians, LesbianFB & LGBAllies_Cymru
will also be invited. It’s been a longtime since Labour heard from Lesbians.

Dodds has long been on the gender train, but since July 2023 has started to look like she wants to get off.

MP faces criticism for 'biological women' remark at conference [Jan 2024]
https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24054287.oxford-mp-anneliese-dodds-jlm-conference-remark-slammed/

Labour will lead on reform of transgender rights – and we won’t take lectures from the divisive Tories -July 2023
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jul/24/labour-will-lead-on-reform-of-transgender-rights-and-we-wont-take-lectures-from-the-divisive-tories

I think the Cass report will have shifted her further along. She is an highly intelligent academic, who I think read the Cass Report and has further realised the wheels of the gender train are made of rainbow candy and are melting while racing towards an abyss. She is I hope slowly peaking. The attacks on her from TRAs over the last year for uttering heresy like biology is real will help her realise the train was a disaster all along.

We are seeing more ferrets leaping off the train and reversing. How far they reverse depends on people inside and outside Labour pulling as many kids and people off the train as we can.

This is a signal that following the Cass Report No Debate is well and truly over. The gender wars inside Labour and the unions are moving to a new stage which will perhaps be even more vicious. This means silenced voices can be heard, but will have to still fight to get further wins. The Labour manifesto has yet to be written, we need to ensure that sex equality is in it, and we fight back against a conversion therapy ban which includes banning sane therapy plus a lot more.

MP faces criticism for 'biological women' remark at conference

Oxford East MP Anneliese Dodds has received criticism for a remark she made regarding transgender people at the Jewish Labour Party conference.

https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/24054287.oxford-mp-anneliese-dodds-jlm-conference-remark-slammed

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YahdahYahdayYoo · 15/05/2024 10:29

I believe there has been a shift. My local LD candidate says to me the debate is toxic and she regrets how her party have acted towards members like me (I'm no longer a member) and the shutting down of alternative voices. All very understanding and conciliatory. She also listens and acts on behalf of women in rape crisis who want women only facilities. However, she also believes we need to be kind and the cass report is flawed. Her opinion is however more nuanced than what was once acceptable. This I believe will be the future pathway for non-activist trans allies. Specifically to this thread, it may point to the direction Labour will pursue: more nuance, more sense but still too little devotion to women's rights. I have to say I'm leaning more Tory everyday....

WitchyWitcherson · 15/05/2024 10:28

lcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2024 09:59

I saw the thread title and thought 'well that's her in the naughty corner'. Jic the likes of Allsop read this, this is the reaction when you try to have a debate or even just try to talk. Wall to wall tra-trums!

But the naughty corner is full of strong women standing shoulder to shoulder, so she'll find some good company 😁

Helleofabore · 15/05/2024 10:26

Wouldn’t it be nice if the women’s declaration could have a stall at conference?

Floisme · 15/05/2024 10:18

I very much doubt she'd have done this without leadership approval so that might be promising.

A meeting with the Labour Women's Declaration next please, Anneliese. Bring Starmer too. And a photo call on Twitter.

lcakethereforeIam · 15/05/2024 09:59

I saw the thread title and thought 'well that's her in the naughty corner'. Jic the likes of Allsop read this, this is the reaction when you try to have a debate or even just try to talk. Wall to wall tra-trums!

Helleofabore · 15/05/2024 09:48

It is a start to have Dodds meet with LGBA. May it continue.

Floisme · 15/05/2024 09:44

I'll be very happy to change my opinion of her, just as long as 'getting things done quietly' doesn't turn out to be code for, 'Shut up and leave it to me'.

HPFA · 15/05/2024 09:40

I wonder if she will be treated as badly as Rosie if she does start to support women.

She won't, she's very loyal to the leadership and also a lot more popular within the party.

Just as in negotiating with the unions to get through the change in Labour's self-ID policy, she'll be putting together a position the majority can get behind. Getting things done quietly, which is her way.

Floisme · 15/05/2024 09:40

Based on her performances up until now, I have not been at all impressed by Anneliese Dodds, but this does sound significant and I'm also watching with interest.

ArabellaScott · 15/05/2024 09:38

Good to see. I hope she listened.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/05/2024 09:34

Helleofabore · 15/05/2024 09:33

I noticed that O Jones has noticed the meeting too. And is horrified.

He's blocked me on twitter.

She's being non - compliant for even attending this meeting. Men's rights activists are bound to be annoyed.

Helleofabore · 15/05/2024 09:33

I noticed that O Jones has noticed the meeting too. And is horrified.

lifeturnsonadime · 15/05/2024 09:31

I hope she is starting to see sense on this.

I wonder if she will be treated as badly as Rosie if she does start to support women.

I also wonder if this will be in time for women who are single issue voters to be able to consider a labour vote in the next general election.

Runor · 15/05/2024 09:21

I’ll be watching with interest. My Labour candidate has outsourced his thinking on the to AD (🙄, but better than Stonewall!)