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JKR reprimanded by "feminist" "ally" for being unhelpful (to him).

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TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 12:08

Be kind, ladies or Debbie will tell you off like one of his pupils.

archive.ph/2024.05.13-070326/www.spectator.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-is-playing-with-fire/

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Datun · 13/05/2024 13:45

Hoardasurass

If you have time, are there any more worth posting?

Datun · 13/05/2024 13:44

Mollyollydolly · 13/05/2024 13:39

So glad Hayton wrote this. Even Bindel's finally seen the light. A master manipulator. Just another of the many men telling her off for not 'being kind.' Give it a year Hayton will be writing tweets like Willoughby.

Even less, I reckon. The reaction to what he must have imagined to be a reasonable piece, will be telling.

EdithStourton · 13/05/2024 13:43

Debbie Hatton: Woman - and other women - KNOW YOUR PLACE
FWR regulars: ODFOD.

I thinks that sums it up.

Some of those Spectator comments are gold.

Glinner is - or was - a mate of Debbie's. Has he said anything?

Datun · 13/05/2024 13:43

illinivich · 13/05/2024 13:33

Julie bindel has already picked a side on twitter: I've just messaged Hayton and torn him one he wishes he'd been born with. I have no fucks left to give

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Vastly irritated though I was with anyone who bought his bullshit, that is one hell of a tweet 🤣🤣🤣

Mollyollydolly · 13/05/2024 13:39

So glad Hayton wrote this. Even Bindel's finally seen the light. A master manipulator. Just another of the many men telling her off for not 'being kind.' Give it a year Hayton will be writing tweets like Willoughby.

NameChange0101010101 · 13/05/2024 13:36

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 13:34

She's been right behind him until he picked on her mate JKR. Shes a bit late to the party I'm afraid.

Better late than never though, eh?

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 13:34

illinivich · 13/05/2024 13:33

Julie bindel has already picked a side on twitter: I've just messaged Hayton and torn him one he wishes he'd been born with. I have no fucks left to give

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She's been right behind him until he picked on her mate JKR. Shes a bit late to the party I'm afraid.

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illinivich · 13/05/2024 13:33

Julie bindel has already picked a side on twitter: I've just messaged Hayton and torn him one he wishes he'd been born with. I have no fucks left to give

ResisterRex · 13/05/2024 13:27

How is Hayton’s article telling JKR off for correctly sexing men going down with the feminists who decried us as Ultras for doing what JKR has been doing recently?

Also intrigued to see this, although imagine they'll ignore it because they won't want to be seen to go up against JKR. It's alright to lecture us boring old wimmin from up on high, from the safety of your nice cushy column etc., but they won't wanna do any of this in public.

WickedSerious · 13/05/2024 13:27

He's no 'ally' to feminists.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2024 13:22

Yeah, since Debbie thought he was the only one controlling the handle, he's probably a bit annoyed that the Overton window is being opened further than he intended.

Honestly, it does get me. What person genuinely thinks they can tell the world that they dress in women's clothes as a sexual fetish, and then expect to retain credibility when they're talking about men who dress in women's clothes??

It's the ultimate dupers' delight thrill.

Datun · 13/05/2024 13:20

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/05/2024 13:14

During pronoungate (following Janice Turner’s book promotion interview) Hayton had loads of GC people and feminists like Turner and Bindel and Freeman and Stock lecturing women for being GC Ultra for not using female pronouns to describe Hayton.

Since JKR started her campaign against the Scottish Hate Crime Act by correctly sexing men who are claiming a women identity, I’ve noticed a lot of those public feminists follow her example which means them not always holding to their previous statements that it’s polite to use female pronouns for some AGP men.

I believe this change in their behaviour is very likely to irritate Hayton because 1) he likes being the AGP that is friends with GC feminists and allowed into women’s campaigns. And 2) Hayton likes having feminists rush to his defence online when his woman identity is challenged (in spite of his constantly telling the public that he knows he’s male and doesn’t mind correct sex pronouns).

How is Hayton’s article telling JKR off for correctly sexing men going down with the feminists who decried us as Ultras for doing what JKR has been doing recently?

Yeah, since Debbie thought he was the only one controlling the handle, he's probably a bit annoyed that the Overton window is being opened further than he intended.

Honestly, it does get me. What person genuinely thinks they can tell the world that they dress in women's clothes as a sexual fetish, and then expect to retain credibility when they're talking about men who dress in women's clothes??

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 13:19

Hoardasurass · 13/05/2024 13:09

The comments on that piece are glorious will screenshot some shortly 😄

Please do!

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Hoardasurass · 13/05/2024 13:18

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JKR reprimanded by "feminist" "ally" for being unhelpful (to him).
illinivich · 13/05/2024 13:18

He thinks he can repeat the chaos he initiated after the 'marigolds' interview, when women rushed to pronoun him.

Something tells me he won't be as successful this time. He's probably going to turn more people into ultras.

fromorbit · 13/05/2024 13:18

Don't think anyone has pointed out the stats.

There are not many women football managers for women teams. So claiming the fact we have a crossdresser in charge of one team is particularly meaningless.

As of January 2024, only one third of coaches managing in England’s highest female division, the Women’s Super League (WSL), are women. Chelsea’s Emma Hayes, Aston Villa’s Carla Ward, West Ham’s Rehanne Skinner and Bristol City’s Lauren Smith make up the female managers working in the league.
The Women’s Championship, one tier below the WSL, has a more balanced split as 50% of the managers are female, but when we look at England as a whole, only 21 women across the country hold a UEFA Pro Licence - Hayes being one of them.

https://olympics.com/en/news/football-few-female-coaches-english-football-chelsea-boss-emma-hayes

Football: Why are there so few female coaches in English football? Chelsea boss Emma Hayes on “closing the gap”

Discover why Chelsea boss Emma Hayes thinks there are so few female coaches in English football

https://olympics.com/en/news/football-few-female-coaches-english-football-chelsea-boss-emma-hayes

YetAnotherSpartacus · 13/05/2024 13:18

While the news was clearly important to a social media account calling itself @prideukorg, it’s not clear to me why anyone should really care. Football management is open to both sexes, and whoever a club chooses to manage its team is a matter for it and its supporters. However, it bothered Rowling enough to tell her 14.1 million followers on Twitter <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.md/o/VSbCn/twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1789275573123964985" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">that, ‘When I was young all the football managers were straight, white, middle-aged blokes, so it’s fantastic to see how much things have changed.’

I thought the issue here was the disproportionate number of XY umpires compared with XX ones as a result of gender stereotyping and systemic discrimination against XX humans. It's not just about 'choice' as if the playing field was equal.

UtopiaPlanitia · 13/05/2024 13:14

During pronoungate (following Janice Turner’s book promotion interview) Hayton had loads of GC people and feminists like Turner and Bindel and Freeman and Stock lecturing women for being GC Ultra for not using female pronouns to describe Hayton.

Since JKR started her campaign against the Scottish Hate Crime Act by correctly sexing men who are claiming a women identity, I’ve noticed a lot of those public feminists follow her example which means them not always holding to their previous statements that it’s polite to use female pronouns for some AGP men.

I believe this change in their behaviour is very likely to irritate Hayton because 1) he likes being the AGP that is friends with GC feminists and allowed into women’s campaigns. And 2) Hayton likes having feminists rush to his defence online when his woman identity is challenged (in spite of his constantly telling the public that he knows he’s male and doesn’t mind correct sex pronouns).

How is Hayton’s article telling JKR off for correctly sexing men going down with the feminists who decried us as Ultras for doing what JKR has been doing recently?

Datun · 13/05/2024 13:13

It does seem that gender identity ideology is on the wane, at least in the UK. There are many people who helped to push it back, but JK Rowling is surely one of the most notable.

Oh, the modesty! It wasn't J. K. Rowling who told the world how many of these men are sexual fetishists. It was Debbie.

I wonder if she'll start talking about that now? Since Debbie has already told everyone.

Should be interesting.

Hoardasurass · 13/05/2024 13:09

The comments on that piece are glorious will screenshot some shortly 😄

Datun · 13/05/2024 13:08

DialSquare · 13/05/2024 12:57

I sometimes wish, that for five fucking seconds, I could have the blind arrogance of a man raised with this kind of entitlement.

Yep. Who the fuck do these people think they are? What DH means is that JKR's actions are not helpful to the likes of him. They are extremely helpful to the many people waking up to this bullshit.

Indeed. And it wouldn't be so bad if Debbie himself hadn't just made a ton of book money around the precise concept that Debbie himself is a man.

Debbie literally took the lid off AGP, told the whole world, made a bunch of money on the back of it, and now complains when someone else (a woman tho) merely recognises these men as male!!

ScrapeMyArse · 13/05/2024 13:05

it’s not clear to me why anyone should really care.

Not understanding the class of human you claim to identify with / as is a pretty fundamental issue. I have encountered plenty of males who do understand - including a couple with a trans identity - so sex and identity are not an excuse really.

DialSquare · 13/05/2024 12:57

I sometimes wish, that for five fucking seconds, I could have the blind arrogance of a man raised with this kind of entitlement.

Yep. Who the fuck do these people think they are? What DH means is that JKR's actions are not helpful to the likes of him. They are extremely helpful to the many people waking up to this bullshit.

GailBlancheViola · 13/05/2024 12:57

Interesting how transgender is most important when it is seen as a 'first' for trans - see also IW and the first transgender news reader bio - but when it is a first for a woman that it stolen by a TW the TW is a REAL woman no trans prefix allowed. Trans when it suits and real women when it suits - heads I win tails you lose.

High time to stop tolerating this shit.

JustSpeculation · 13/05/2024 12:53

It's so unladylike to "play with fire"......

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