JKR reprimanded by "feminist" "ally" for being unhelpful (to him).

They can't help showing off to other men, which includes giving them attention.

Willy waving. Unendearing.

Silverback gorillas do it better.

The issue is Lucy Clark liked the attention and leveraged the victim status generated by JKRolling?? That'swhy JKR should shut up?

If this is the case, I'm bewildered why hayton would write a column and appear on youtube talking about him. Surely he's giving him attention, too?

When DH talks about "us" and "the fight", it brought home to me that there cannot be alliance between men with AGP and women's rights activists. However self-aware they are/claim to be. It's just not possible. The idea that he's on the same side as us is ridiculous. Not because he is male, but because he is an AGP who claims to be a woman. Whether he knows he isn't really a woman or not, it makes no difference. The AGP aspect taints everything. And yeah, no wonder he wants the fight to be "over".
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The issue is Lucy Clark liked the attention and leveraged the victim status generated by JKRolling?? That's why JKR should shut up?

Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel of bullshit excuses, Debs!

Debbie is struggling to clip JK Rolling's wings whilst pretending to be on her side reeeely.

Hint to Debbie, JK Rolling really isn't going to follow your advice on how to write her responses, like evah.

I mean, I know Debbie is quite used to being able to manipulate people into responding in the way Debbie likes, but for fuck sake, JK Rolling?!! 🤣

I mean who's the one who's made a million quid out of writing witty, insightful, philosophical and articulate sentences?

Oh Helen Joyce was excellent in this at pointing out that Hayton was framing the issue to his advantage and leaving out a lot of the context that informed JKR’s reasons for tweeting as she did. AND Helen mentioned how transwidows and children have demands made on them to be kind and give men what they want. It was great to have them and the lack of support for their boundaries mentioned.

A lot of actual women thought this, and still do, which is one of the reasons we're in this mess: women thought they could afford to be generous and 'share' rights.

Listening to this now and Hayton thinks we’re at a time when the major battles have been won for women 🙄

The Spectator's Natasha Feroze speaks with journalists Debbie Hayton and Helen Joyce about JK Rowling's latest interjection on twitter.

DH tries to stay on both sides: "JKR should not pick on innocent people on twitter" and "I don't disagree with JKR on anything."

HJ is articulate and thorough in her defence of JKR and women's rights, and her rejection of DH's version of events. As always she is never rude at all, but she certainly tells it like it is. Worth watching.

@VinnieVanDog do you seriously believe that ArtyMorty is a nonce apologist?

"Defended a nonce apologist- I don’t know this story"
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Referring to Morty I think?

It's always lovely when a bloke pops up to tell us he's an "ally", by defaming those he's, allegedly, an "ally" to.

A quote is normally etiquette if replying directly to someone.
I, and many others, can prove every single accusation I've lain out here. You can't prove otherwise.

"Dr em gives as good as she gets" is a disgusting thing to say and says more about you than it does her.

"they’re a group of spoilt brat troublemakers" they are the only lgb group in Ireland working to expose the abuse they were put through at the hands of belong2, they are neither spoilt, brats nor troublemakers.

A "mistake" defending a nonce apologist? So why is he still defending him?

As for laughing at and telling women to f off from their own movement is "probably right"? Would you ever wind your neck in? It is our right and indeed duty to have a women's right's movement with no men involved. Especially if they are damaging out fight or grifting of the back of it.

You're not the t-shirt grifter are you?

This is a rubbish post

He's soxxed women - what does this mean?

Attacked women from bus platform- what does this mean?

Stole women's work - no he didn’t

Attacked a young Irish detranis - no he didn’t

Harassed Dr em for years - she gives a lot worse than she gets

Laughed about telling women to f off when they asked him to stop damaging the women's movement. - yes probably, and he was right

Attacked and slandered a young Irish lgb group (who are doing great work) - they’re a group of spoilt brat troublemakers

Demanded women get their platforms (be they irl ornon social media) taken from them as they refuse to accept Hayton - no he didn’t

Defended a nonce apologist- I don’t know this story, he presumably made a mistake?

Wtf?

That 'being brief' thing's not really working out, eh?

😁 he does indeed!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F44HRvn8tiA

Kermit has a rainbow connection.

three post nutter, that was why I thought a man telling women about how he forgave Hayton seemed a little inappropriate.

Men, even perfectly decent men, often seem quite unable to believe that women really exist and experience the world in different ways from the ways men do.

Yes, I know there are exceptions to that - they are exceptional in more ways than one.

I hope so too,he really doesn't see the problem with Hayton.

Forgiving people for what they have done to me is part of my religion too. I am called to forgive Hayton for what he has done that has reduced my safety and limited my life choices, because I am a woman and he has harmed women. It would not be appropriate for me to attempt to forgive him for his behavior except where it has impacted on me. It would be totally wrong (and very presumptuous) for me to forgive him for anything he has done to another person.

It is also important that I express what it is that I need to forgive him for.

"confidential union business", eh? Must remember to use that one sometime...

Andrew Doyle put this to Hayton on Free Speech Nation and Hayton claimed it couldn’t be discussed with anyone because it was confidential union business 🙄