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JKR reprimanded by "feminist" "ally" for being unhelpful (to him).

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TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 12:08

Be kind, ladies or Debbie will tell you off like one of his pupils.

archive.ph/2024.05.13-070326/www.spectator.co.uk/article/jk-rowling-is-playing-with-fire/

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Datun · 13/05/2024 12:49

Quite apart from anything else, Hayton needs to take responsibility for informing the entire world that for him, and many other men, it's a sexual fetish.

Who the fuck's going to respect that??

Debbie did all that! Not JKR.

In fact Hayton is probably directly responsible for the disillusionment of many women who imagined transwomen as fey homosexuals, not middle aged, straight cross dressers.

Trying to put a lid on that and taking the moral high ground?

I sometimes wish, that for five fucking seconds, I could have the blind arrogance of a man raised with this kind of entitlement.

DrSpartacular · 13/05/2024 12:46

Man tries to put "uppity" woman back in her place. Twas ever thus.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/05/2024 12:43

I have zero respect for Hayton or any of these men. I don't draw any distinction just because they make a claim that they support women to get publicity and attention. I think a lot of us probably feel vindicated though.

Datun · 13/05/2024 12:43

Hayton at his manipulative best.

Turning Rowling's assertion of

"I didn’t compare him to one. He IS one."

Into her wanting the individual to be unsafe.

Whether you agree with Rowling or not, her tone is remarkably different to the essay she wrote in 2020 when she set out her reasons for speaking out on sex and gender. Then, she wrote: ‘Trans people need and deserve protection’, and ‘I want trans women to be safe.’ Perhaps she has changed her mind in the four years that have passed?

This desperate TRA trope that recognising men as men makes them unsafe is getting a little old hat.

When Debbie says that Debbie is a man, is Debbie trying to make other trans people, or Debbieself, 'unsafe' too?

Oh is it just women who say it?

The quote-Tweet is possibly the most brutal weapon that exists on social media – especially in the hands of influencers with thousands of followers. Anything an opponent says can be captured and broadcast to your audience. Sarcasm, ridicule, or downright abuse then set the tone for the mob who can ‘pile on’ and deluge the original with more of the same, and worse.

is Debbie really attempting to accuse J. K. Rowling of being complicit in the abuse of trans people here?

Poor Debbie. Courting, sorry goading, Rolling does not end the way Debbie fondly imagines.

We like to be noticed and when the likes and (friendly) replies flood into the phone, dopamine can flood the brain. No matter who you are, this has the potential to become addictive
Social media followers then often demand increasingly direct and shocking posts to stay on board. Is this happening to Rowling?

Hahaha!!! Yes indeedy - JK Rowling, the most feted, famous, celebrated author on the planet, needs the likes, Debs.

As a piece of projection, it doesn't get more blatant.

J. K. Rowling getting involved seems to be rattling the ideologues from one end of the Internet to the other.

CountingCrones · 13/05/2024 12:41

I know Hayton dabbles here. So here’s my reply to the final paragraph:

It is helpful, because it was being reported as a New Progressive Thing when, as JKR points out, it’s merely the same old middle aged white blokes getting jobs.

It is necessary as there are still large sections of the public confused about what a transwoman is (a sizeable minority think it’s a woman wishing to pass as a man)

It is true. Obviously.

If a bloke wants to wear a frock and a wig to work and his work is ok with that, fine. I tend to see these as misogynistic appropriations and parodies, but let us assume he’s actually genuine and not engaging in AGP cosplay.

If he wants to present this as empowerment and breaking new ground as a woman, he can bugger off.

ResisterRex · 13/05/2024 12:40

This "treat people with respect" business. Respect is earned, not owed.

Anyone demanding it, isn't likely to be someone who's earned it.

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 12:35

Runor · 13/05/2024 12:21

Hayton has an issue because Rowling (and most of us here) can agree that a straight, white male suffering from gender dysphoria should be treated with respect, and not discriminated against…. While also recognising that said person is still a straight, white male. Really Debbie, what’s so hard about that?

Why should I treat a self confessed AGP with respect?

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EmpressaurusOfCats · 13/05/2024 12:27

‘Is it true’ is an interesting one. Because the answer in this case is yes.

TinselAngel · 13/05/2024 12:26

Given Hayton claims to be supportive of trans widows (a claim for which the world does not have a sufficient stock of eye rolls) you'd think he might use his platform to celebrate the withdrawal of the CPS guidance. But no, he spends it force teaming Elon Musk to keep JKR in line,

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Morwenscapacioussleeves · 13/05/2024 12:25

What a knob 🙄

invoking Elon is a particularly pathetic appeal to authority

I have helpfully summarised the article with a gif

The Rock Shut Up GIF by WWE
AmaryllisNightAndDay · 13/05/2024 12:24

It was nice of Hayton to repeat JKR's remark verbatim, JKR has a sharp wit and it made me smile.

And JKR didn't say that Clark (or any other trans person, or any male person for that matter) shouldn't be a football referee, so I don't see what Hayton's huffing about.

I don't know much about football so I wonder if there are any (out) gay male referees.

VaddaABeetch · 13/05/2024 12:21

She was saying words I don’t like. Maybe people will realise what I am.

MUST MAKE HER STOP

Runor · 13/05/2024 12:21

Hayton has an issue because Rowling (and most of us here) can agree that a straight, white male suffering from gender dysphoria should be treated with respect, and not discriminated against…. While also recognising that said person is still a straight, white male. Really Debbie, what’s so hard about that?

Boiledbeetle · 13/05/2024 12:21

But as I might ask children in my class who have said what they thought rather than what is wise: is it helpful? Is it necessary? And is it true? Unless all three answers are affirmative then maybe it is best not to say it at all.

Is what JKR said helpful? Yes it tells people the truth rather than a lie.

Is what JKR said necessary? Yes as some people still don't realise that transwomen are in fact men

Is what JKR said true. Yes.

So Debbie according to your own rules there is nothing wrong with what JKR tweeted as all three answers to your questions are to me affirmative in their answer.

JellySaurus · 13/05/2024 12:18

it’s not clear to me why anyone should really care.

That really sums up the transgenderist attitude.

'Why do you care? We just want to pee in peace.'

'Why do you care? We just want to have what we want?'

'Why do you care, you old busybody?'

Ticks so many of the Rules of Misogyny.

Why do we care? Because we care about women. Because we care about our children's futures. Because we care about equality and equity. Because we care about more than just what we want.

SinnerBoy · 13/05/2024 12:14

What a load of pish from Bait Beyond He.