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Referee Changing Rooms

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May2024 · 13/05/2024 06:20

Does anyone know where football referees get changed?

"Lucy" Clark is the first trans manager in English Women's football, just wondered where he would change.

JK tweeted * When I was young all the football managers were straight, white, middle-
aged blokes, so it's fantastic to see how much things have changed.*

I make no apologies for the the Daily Mail link

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13407513/JK-Rowling-accused-cruelty-mocks-transgender-football-manager-comparing-straight-white-middle-aged-bloke.html

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kiterunning · 02/09/2024 10:10

Stay strong Sutton women!
You will have a lot of pressure on you but your actions are so important in protecting women in sport.

Snowypeaks · 02/09/2024 08:39

Well done to the Sutton women. I hope they are all sticking together and their families are supporting them because this will be hard.
It's a lot to ask, but I wonder if they would be prepared to do a Lynne Pinches and take the FA to court. Certainly should contact FPforW or their local WRN for advice.
Regardless of the FA policy, both appointments would appear to have unlawfully discriminated, directly or indirectly.

Keepingcosy · 02/09/2024 08:27

BackToLurk · 13/05/2024 09:42

I'm probably way out of step here but...on the one hand I find JKR's tweet funny, but I'm also not sure of the point. When people like Clark are being touted as the 'first woman' to do something I get the objection. However when they are 'the first transperson' I'm not sure that jumping on it doesn't make GC women just look like they hate transpeople doing anything. Anyway I'll await the flak.

Lucy Clarke just sacked a female goalkeeper and replaced with a male (tw). Lucy Clarke has previously said they want to field an all TW team one day, and is now taking steps to do so. The Sutton team have refused to play, they will have no support from the FA over this.

JKR knows how to pick her targets and is endlessly being justified.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 01/09/2024 23:42

RedBananas12 · 13/05/2024 07:16

just wondered where he would change.

She.

Read the OP.

PatatiPatatras · 31/08/2024 21:39

Ohh women being pushed out of sport! I need to grab my popcorn to watch all the TRA tell us the ladies need to man up. Are they defending the indefensible on twitter? I better hurry.

I'm being flippant, but I need a laugh.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2024 20:01

Yes. I saw that Hamilton was recruited.

And that the experienced female staff member ended up leaving. What a mess.

I wonder though, if they did a
count of how many males are in the female football teams in the UK now in the upcoming season whether it would be more than the 70-80 we were told were there earlier this year. I would hazard a guess it will be growing quite fast.

fromorbit · 31/08/2024 19:56

It has... predictably got worse.

Sharron Davies MBE

I get emails like this every single day. It is bloody shameful

WISH TO be anonymous due to threats i know we will get.....but please can you highlight Sutton united football Club on your platform.
The womens team turned down a female manager at the club for 9 years to hire transgender referee lucy clarke with no previous experience in Women's football ....the female manager left the club...Now Lucy Ckarke has signed Blair Hamilton a 6ft 34 year old trans goal keeper who was a man for 27 years and the female goalkeeper has been let go.....
This club need to be held accountable for pushing womem out of womems football it's disgusting.....

viques · 14/05/2024 12:18

ArabellaScott · 14/05/2024 06:28

It would be helpful if India could explain the difference between a cross dressing man and a transwoman?

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Oh! Oh! Oh! I know this one miss! One has a cervix (allegedly) and the other has really poor taste in clothes unless you have taken a ride in the Tardis back to 1960.

But to be honest, if you stood them next to each other I would be hard pressed to tell which was which . Though if you stood them next to a woman I could pick her out without even thinking about it.

SinnerBoy · 14/05/2024 11:42

I've only been on it a short while and am pretty rubbish at it. I can never find anything.

AReasonablePerson · 14/05/2024 11:38

Thanks @SinnerBoy I don't really do Twatter. Although I may lurk a bit 😄

SinnerBoy · 14/05/2024 11:35

AReasonablePerson · Today 11:18

nitter.poast.org/galluslass/status/1789969437627392114#m

This shows the trolling that is really going on. It is in plain sight for anyone with eyes open.

I've just posted that to Jeremy Vine's Twatter and asked if he thinks that Clark is a hapless victim.

AReasonablePerson · 14/05/2024 11:31

decent men keep out of female spaces

needs to go on a t-shirt!

viques · 14/05/2024 11:27

May2024 · 13/05/2024 14:33

What the actual hell??

I absolutely did wonder where they would change, as I remembered that bloody swimming judge who liked to get changed with the young girls!! Think it was Canada.

I wondered if the female refs and young girls would have to get changed with him.

I mean good on him for being the first transwoman ref, if that makes him happy.

But not good on him if he likes to get changed with women/girls.

And thanks to PPs who have answered my question.

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And another swimming official, much closer to home than Canada. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12350741/Parents-raised-concerns-transgender-pool-official-using-womens-changing-room-time-young-girls.html

I think the rules have been changed now for swimming, but ffs, there should never have been the need to change the rules in the first place because decent men keep out of female spaces. If men are such perverts that they try to squeeze their way into changing rooms either to ogle teenage girls or to satisfy their own sexual kinks then someone should be saying “NO!” long before it is a story for the DM.

Parents' concerns over trans pool official using women's changing room

Anne Coombes, 65, who last week blasted a hotel spa for not giving her a key to a female changing room,  was volunteering as an official at the British Summer Championships in Sheffield.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12350741/Parents-raised-concerns-transgender-pool-official-using-womens-changing-room-time-young-girls.html

AReasonablePerson · 14/05/2024 11:19

GerbilStyle · 13/05/2024 17:38

Funny how those horrible tweets from that man pretending to be a woman aren't in the news

Hopefully a lurking journo will pick em up and publicise!

AReasonablePerson · 14/05/2024 11:18

DialSquare · 13/05/2024 16:32

Try this link to Nitter

nitter.poast.org/galluslass/status/1789969437627392114#m

This shows the trolling that is really going on. It is in plain sight for anyone with eyes open.

AReasonablePerson · 14/05/2024 11:15

Since when is refereeing football a “female space”??? I swear some of the posters on here live in an alternate universe.

In Women's football it is a female space - a sports space - in women's sport!

AReasonablePerson · 14/05/2024 11:14

AliCantI · 13/05/2024 14:57

Don’t lots of women’s football teams have male managers and coaches? Hopefully there’s plenty of spaces for Lucy to change in without encroaching on the female spaces. And I agree with some others on here - celebrate the first transwoman referee on a women’s team, as they no doubt celebrated the first transwoman referee on a male team - as long as they’re not being celebrated as the first female ref. JKR is under unimaginable online harassment on a daily basis - occasionally she does a ‘For Fucks Sake!’ post and I can’t blame her but I prefer it when she writes her brilliantly crafted, eloquent posts - but she’s only human and I’ll forgive her this slight wobble of the halo 😇

I'm not aware that there has yet been a celebrated transwoman referee on a male team though. Odd that!

CrappyBarbara · 14/05/2024 11:11

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/05/2024 08:01

A decade ago TW weren’t busily inserting themselves into everyone female space they could find with no thought for the impact on women and didn’t demand everyone considered them actual women

Since when is refereeing football a “female space”??? I swear some of the posters on here live in an alternate universe.

CrappyBarbara · 14/05/2024 11:08

ValueAddedTaxonomy · 13/05/2024 07:31

just wondered where he would change.

Did you really, or did you just want a pretext for yet another thread on this subject, and for posting the photos?

I'm fully gc, but honest to god I don't think anyone gets anything useful from yet another thread for rehearsing anger and well-worn phrases. It wrongfoots the gc position, facilitating the sentences in that guardian article about mn the other day. In that article the author went halfway towards acknowleding women's reasonable concerns as expressed on mn, but then went on to add words to the effect of 'oh but the obsession, shading into bigotry'
If you have useful points to make, then make them. Don't just bob your pitchfork up and down.

Thank you thank you thank you for some words of reason for a change!!!

Helleofabore · 14/05/2024 10:15

So getting back to the OP. If any male manager insists they are a woman, as this one does seem to, will they insist on entering into the female change room?

Helleofabore · 14/05/2024 10:13

DialSquare · 13/05/2024 16:12

Interesting

And JKR would have seen this male person’s tweets about her in the past. Yet, again, she is being told to be nice to someone who is effectively her abuser. Her male abuser.

It never takes much to find the rest of the story, does it?

SirChenjins · 14/05/2024 09:49

Their level of delusion, perhaps?

ArabellaScott · 14/05/2024 06:28

WallaceinAnderland · 13/05/2024 19:13

Someone's rattled

It would be helpful if India could explain the difference between a cross dressing man and a transwoman?

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May2024 · 14/05/2024 04:32

FlakyPoet · 13/05/2024 19:43

Does IW still have a career? That vicious misogynist outburst seems really reckless.

I suspect IW's career is lurking on mumsnet and getting messages deleted.

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