Why it will all fall apart in the end

I bet you a pound to a penny IW would argue the Y chromosome could have come from the mother, because she hasn't been tested either.

Starting off by pointing out the heterogeneity of people with trans identities. On FWR there is lots of focus on those who give the impression that they have unstable personalities (personality disorders) so my response is in relation to this group (as opposed to those with autism or gender dysphoria).

Treatment for gender dysphoria used to operate from the open position of natal sex being immutable but treatment can involve making social, and sometimes physical, changes to relieve symptoms. His provided a coherent framework for 'transitioning'.

The idea that trans identities are not part of a condition that causes distress but instead are part of normal variation brings with it multiple inconsistencies and incoherence.

If males think they are females, they either misunderstand the sex binary or are deluded. It's as simple as that.

If males don't think they are females, but want to pretend to themselves they are, they should be helped to accept that it is not reasonable to assume that everyone will go along with the pretence. Some will, some won't, and there are many different reasons as to why.

I expect the extent to which they accept the above will relate to the underlying causes as to why they want to pretend to themselves and/or others that they are female.

I think that posters on FWR, when posting about trans people, often have in mind those who likely meet the criteria for being diagnosed with a personality disorder.

Well if he has a son where does he say the Y chromosome came from?

Also IW's child is a son (according to the internet) therefore that Y chromosome his son has could only have come from IW so he must have XY chromosomes.

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...who is it for?

In a jar by the door with Eleanor Rigby's face.

And if he has a cervix, where does he keep it?

That IW tweet made me think that IW might actually really think he is a woman, with XX chromosomes, not a transwoman. But if he has fathered a child (unless he is actually psychotic) then that can't be the case. I don't follow anything about him much. Does he say anywhere that he "identifies" as a transwoman?

I've always thought in an alternate universe where all this had been handled differently from the start, the results would be very different.

Imagine the alternate universe if everyone had totally got on board with gender ideology. Imagine that we all agree that men can self identify as women and access everything that used to be just for women. Imagine what that would look like.

No female sports for starters.

@nepeta Yes. Identifying as a woman but not being with women was really my starting point of awakening. And its gotten worse as we have gone along, they seem mostly against women.

In addition it must be so hard going about your daily life and how you feel about each interaction depending not only on whether someone is prepared to pretend but even if they jump through the right pretending hoops whether they do that convincingly (to your satisfaction) or not.

I can't predict the future so not sure if this will fall apart on logical grounds, but suspect that it will not as it is not based on logical grounds to begin with.

People seem to react emotionally to this, on the whole, wanting to be seen as kind or not caring at all but wanting social kudos for being inclusive.

When things change they change for emotional reasons, such as seeing Lia Thomas three times the size of the female swimmers or a male rapist wearing pink leggings and a blonde wig. Many then feel anger at the unfairness.

That things are not changing faster is because of the aggression, threats, and cancellations anyone pointing logical problems out receives. That, too, is based on an emotion: fear.

(What I've found fascinating is how many feminists don't see that one type of male transitioners identify as a woman but not with women at all. Rather, they view women as sexual competition, are not particularly interested in feminism or even prefer women not to be seen as equal as this makes it harder to perform femininity of the regressive kind.

Stand by for said men expressing surprise that no feminists have spoken up about this, so it's been left to them 🙄

I imagine the daughters of influential males being uncomfortable being forced to change in front of adult men/loosing prises to males in female categories/being told they could not have been raped as it was a woman etc will open some eyes and ignite a pushback. Then of course because it's men raising concerns not just silly historical women people may give it some consideration

I want to start #don’t “be kind” be truthful

In time, NB will also become uncool and we will be back to where we were 20 years ago, with trans being largely confined to males with the three-letter condition that dares not speak its name on MN.

Ah yes, well we are off on our holidays v soon and landing at that airport (Málaga airport), going to that lovely spot in Spain for a bit of sun! 😁

I have always thought that it would be female sport and transing kids that made the public wake up to what was going on, and that seems to be playing out.

As many on FWR have predicted, a big factor will also the trend becoming passé, and therefore uncool. I think there's already a slowing in celebs declaring themselves trans. NB is now preferred, and the thing about non-binary is that it undermines the entire trans ideology of your gender being determined by rigid sex stereotypes. It's the cuckoo in the nest of transgenderism.

In time, NB will also become uncool and we will be back to where we were 20 years ago, with trans being largely confined to males with the three-letter condition that dares not speak its name on MN.

IW doesn't need a chromsome test because IW has already fathered a child. Something that would have been impossible if IW was a woman.

It started with people being 'kind'.

I have been sating to my dd for yearsnow, "don't be kind".

@lonelywater because male privilege and misogyny?

Some male bodied people wanted it and it was only some unpleasantly strident female bodied people who had some silly little concerns.

it will fall apart in the end (coming soon hopefully) because its total bollocks. The real mystery is how it gained any traction at all in the first place. It makes as much sense as the earth being flat so why did anyone fall for it?

We all know how IW would respond to being offered a chromosome test :)

If you don't need to wear high heels and swishy dresses to be a woman, how on earth are you supposed to show that you are one?

Agreed.

You made me think of Louis XIV in his high-heeled shoes and fabulous outfits and robes. No intention of being construed as a woman given his divine rights as a ruler were conferred on him by his sex and status, iirc.

IW cannot stand the fact that there's any difference between a woman and a transwoman.

Clue: The only qualification you need to be a transwoman is that you have to be male.

If you are not male, you are female. That really upsets IW and the more IW tries to force others to pretend, the more they resist and the more it hurts IW. Circular route to unhappiness.