Transgender prison population rises by 17%

Coincidentally in an unrelated thread today there's an interesting link to an interview with a prison Rabbi. Apparently one of the things he commonly has to do is determine whether a prisoner claiming to be Jewish is telling the truth.

What's relevant to this thread is that he said there weren't really any perks to being treated as Jewish - the kosher food wasn't better than the standard meals for example - so he felt their motivtaion was often just simply to get one over the system. It wasn't what they got out of it that was important, it was simply that they had beaten a rule.

I'm sure at least some of the prison onset trans women are doing it for the same reason.

Well yeah, women don't want to be anally raped either as it's very painful, so for a novel idea how about people with a penis are kept away from women when they're locked up, so women don't end up getting anally raped and vaginally raped and impregnated....

I was wondering if in fact the impact of women's sex based rights campaigns they have actually realised that self identifying is not the same as having a GRC.

And although not always, they have now accepted the men with a GRC saying they are now a "legal woman" doesn't mean it is safe for them to be placed in women's prisons.

I think this is the case

I think being raped anally, or in a neovagina, could be very damaging though, even though pregnancy wouldn't be a problem. Vaginal rape can also be damaging of course, but neither of the others would have the resilience or elasticity of a vagina.

And, let's face it, even if he was raped in his "neo front hole" - he can't get pregnant any more than if he were raped by the back door

It's just not the same risk as it is for women
Of course, it'd be better if no one got raped at all, but that's probably wishful thinking.

there are 295 trans prisoners of which 10 have a GRC.

Interesting that they've started reporting the number with a GRC, as before the exact number wasn't disclosed.

It’s gone up from 268 prisoners in March 2023 (not including GRCs) to 295 in March 2024 of which 10 have a GRC.

So comparable figures are 268 (2023) and 285 (2024). A 6% increase in that twelve month period.

17% was in the 2022/23 report in the OP back in March.

The latest post in the thread links to the 2023/24 report.

I think my typo may have mislead.

there are 295 trans prisoners of which 10 have a GRC.

ie 285 are self identifying or in the process ...

gender reassignment. Someone has this characteristic if they have undergone or will undergo a process for the purpose of reassigning their sex.

So the rise in trans prisoners is way over 17% as they've not included all the men (and women) who hold a paper certificate stating they're the opposite sex? Why would that be? Embarrassment at the shocking data? Pressure from the sacred caste? Or something else?

If a woman has had penis construction surgery then she can have sex/rape or make other women feel uncomfortable in a woman’s prison.

A fake penis made out of a bit of forearm and sewn onto a woman's vulva can't get hard, nor can it ejaculate.
The chances of a transman ever being able to commit "rape" are virtual non-existent.

As for If a man has had vaginal construction surgery then he can have sex/be raped in a male prison.
A man doesn't need a facsimile of a vagina for him to be a rape victim. A man still has two holes for that even with a fully functional penis of his own.

There's no reason, none whatsoever for a man who claims special gender feelz to be housed with women. It's preposterous.

Some people will literally do anything to get special treatment in prison. It's why so many men convert to Islam in prison (halal food is often better, permission to pray, other religion-related perks), and no doubt why so many claim they're trans. I'd be interested to know how many are still trans a year after release!

23/24 report:

As in previous years, the prison population for the year ending March 2024 has remained as majority male, of white ethnic background, heterosexual, and reporting to follow Christian faiths. The largest proportion of prisoners are in the 30-39 age bracket.

The number of transgender prisoners recorded has continued to increase this year. As with last year, most transgender prisoners were legally male, from a white ethnic background, and held in the men’s prison estate.

The number of mother and baby unit applications has risen this year, following a drop in the previous year. Most applications with a decision outcome were approved, as with previous years. The majority of applicants and self-declared pregnant prisoners were from a white ethnic background.

A higher proportion of younger, Jewish or Muslim, heterosexual prisoners, and prisoners from a black/ black British, mixed, or other ethnic background were on basic level incentives compared to the general prison population.

A higher proportion of older, gay/ lesbian or bisexual prisoners, prisoners of Buddhist, Hindu or Sikh faith, and prisoners from an Asian/ Asian British ethnic background were on enhanced incentives compared with the general prison population.

The majority of accredited programmes starts and completions were by male, heterosexual prisoners, from a white ethnic background, who self-reported as single or not married/in a civil partnership.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hmpps-offender-equalities-annual-report-2023-to-2024/hmpps-offender-equalities-report-202324

In the section on transgender prisoners they say there are 295 or which 10 have a GRC.

Reading about this, and about the pointless judgements given a) to the man who attacked an elderly woman at the LWS event in NZ and b) to the man who attacked KJK at that event, I just wonder why justice systems around the world are still so shite at protecting women and punishing men who commit VAWG.

Women with a legal gender of female are all held in the female estate - regaedless of where they would like to be put. In this report, thr women's estate holds 41 women identifying as men and 2 women identifying as non-binary. The remaining 5 trans prisoners in the women's estate are men with a legal gender of male - it's not clear if they identify as women or as nonbinary, but presumably it's likely to be the former.

There are no women identifying as men, or women identifying as non binary in the male estate- except possibly ones with a GRC, who are excluded from.the report so we don't know where they are or how many.

'41 self-identified as transgender male'
so biological females, right? [my brain may not be navigating all these identities correctly, it's only 10ish in the morning.
I wonder do they have a preference for male prisons, in order to affirm their male-ness, and if so, what is their experience there?

FFS how ridiculous

'The Board queries the rationale (in the face of general financial constraints across the prison) for the provision of an ''energy wall'', costing £10,000, for this wing for just three prisoners (and which couldn't then be installed on the wall for some time as required),' the IMB stated in its 2024 annual report.

'The energy wall is not popular with these residents and has not often been used. We question whether it could have been located elsewhere in the prison (where a wider number of prisoners would have had access to it, such as perhaps the gym) or the funds for it could have been used for alternative provision for the particular wing.'

Inside Britain's first ever prison wing dedicated to transgender inmates - where criminals enjoy a £10,000 games wall, TV screens and leave their cells whenever they like | Daily Mail Online

How interesting/weird!

Well I've just done the reading but it's all very confusing. Apparently you can have your cliterus lengthened to form a neo penis which will allow erections to occur, but you ALSO can have a further procedure to implant a device if you need to 'maintain an erection' so I'm not sure what's going on. Everything I can find seems very....optimistic. lots of stats about increasing in orgasm success etc but I'm struggling to believe lots of it.

The implants btw are not fda approved naturally.

I was under the impression they had to be pumped up by hand but my knowledge is some years old. I can't imagine there is much pleasure involved...

Yes they can get an erection but not in the normal way (I don’t think).

I have no idea how they do it but I know they can have sex and pee out of it like a normal penis.