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Watchdog urges self-ID for trans prisoners

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IwantToRetire · 09/05/2024 17:57

An international prisons watchdog has called for a policy of “self-ID” to allow transgender prisoners to be held in jails of their adopted gender.

The call flies in the face of practice in England and Wales, where the large majority of trans women prisoners are held in male jails – and all trans men in custody are held in female jails.

In its latest annual report, published in April, the Council of Europe’s Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) said it had seen “widely divergent” approaches to the placement of transgender prisoners across the territory it monitors.

It said: “The Committee considers that if a person self-identifies as transgender during the prison admission procedure, then this should be sufficient per se for the prison to treat the person as such in all decisions taken concerning that person, including placement decisions.”

Reflecting concerns that biologically-male prisoners cannot safely be housed in female jails, it added: “If, after an individualised risk assessment, there are exceptional security or other reasons to accommodate them elsewhere, those reasons should be clearly documented, and subject to regular review.”

From a longer article in InsideTime at https://insidetime.org/newsround/watchdog-urges-self-id-for-trans-prisoners/

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Watchdog urges self-ID for trans prisoners

An international prisons watchdog has called for a policy of “self-ID” to allow transgender prisoners to be held in jails of their adopted gender. The call flies in the face of practice in England …

https://insidetime.org/newsround/watchdog-urges-self-id-for-trans-prisoners

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IwantToRetire · 09/05/2024 19:51

When posting this I sort of assumed the UK was no longer signed up to this european initiative. But maybe we are?

Not saying its because of Brexit (hardly) but does seem some changes that are starting to happen re women's rights vs. trans rights would have had an additional bureaucratic level to fight through.

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Zodfa · 09/05/2024 19:28

We need our leaders to start saying openly to these people: "You are mad. We will not be listening to you further on any topic."

Runor · 09/05/2024 19:08

An individualised (?) risk assessment for the man, but no risk assessment for the women. 🤷‍♀️

QAOPspace · 09/05/2024 19:01

Insanity

terryleather · 09/05/2024 18:50

PronounssheRa · 09/05/2024 18:08

Has the Council of Europe’s Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) considered that locking women up with males might, ya know, constitute Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

Or are the women just seen as props?

What she said.

This is male supremacy, pure and simple. And they can fuck right off with it.

lady69 · 09/05/2024 18:48

Bloody idiots.

ArabellaScott · 09/05/2024 18:44

And this is suggesting all transmen prisoners are jailed with men.

What could possibly go wrong?

Rightsraptor · 09/05/2024 18:16

So women prisoners will be subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment.

But they aren't anywhere near as important as the men, obviously.

illinivich · 09/05/2024 18:10

Reflecting concerns that biologically-male prisoners cannot safely be housed in female jails, it added: “If, after an individualised risk assessment, there are exceptional security or other reasons to accommodate them elsewhere, those reasons should be clearly documented, and subject to regular review.”

Initial risk assessment - he cant be held in the female prison on account of him being a man.

Regular reviews - hes still a man.

How would it even be possible to devise individual risk assessments? The men more likely to be low risk are thd men who wouldnt want to be in the female estate in the first place.

PronounssheRa · 09/05/2024 18:08

Has the Council of Europe’s Committee for the Prevention of Torture and Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (CPT) considered that locking women up with males might, ya know, constitute Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

Or are the women just seen as props?

Cosmosforbreakfast · 09/05/2024 18:02

Why do none of these organisations ever call for separate transgender prison places? Why must they always try to insert males into female spaces?

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