Emma Bunton

This might help for those confused about which toys are ok for boys or for girls:

Oh god I didn't realise she was friends with Munroe B. Ugh. There's someone who really does hate women. As in adult human females. I just don't understand after all of Munroe's horrible comments in the past, women like Emma can associate with and be friends with Munroe. It's cognitive dissonance. How, after the Cass report and all the evidence that's come out of that not be having an impact on thought processes?

Everything you’ve just said about EBs parenting IS abuse though. At the heart of this is a young child who has been swept along on a wave of LGBTQ+ ness. EBs friend, Munroe B, has applauded her actions, showing that there are likely many other people in this child’s life that are influencing his choices.
It’s very hard for parents to do what they think is right in today’s climate, but there is absolutely no excuse for putting a very vulnerable child on the world stage like she has done. As someone else pointed out up thread, she has slammed shut the door for this child to say ‘actually mum, I made a mistake’. he will be celebrated for being ‘trans’, he will be told he is now one of the most marginalised in society and people will want to hate him or deny his existence. He will be told he has every right to invade female only spaces or win prizes designated for females, or take part in female only sports. He will be upset that others will not accept that he can do all of that because he’s not, nor every will be, female. So yes, it’s emotional abuse to affirm a child who decided their sex is wrong. It’s the ultimate kind of ‘gentle parenting’. Should EB go on to source puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for him, then that would tip over into physical abuse.

Exactly. Is her son going to use their toilets and do they have to shut up about it?

This is the difference between understanding that gender ideology is sexist, homophobic and misogynistic, or thinking it's just a bit of fun.

Because how far will Emma Bunton agree to it? Calling his female friends bigots for not including him in their spaces? Getting him (or attempting to) puberty blockers?

All these celebs saying how proud they are of their children, don't seem to realise they're promoting sexism and homophobia.

It is. And what about those little girls in the photo with Tate? Its also abuse to force them to go along with this mumbo jumbo and teaching them men are allowed to say whatever they want and thats that.

Emma Bunton wrote 10 tips for parents.

Unsurprisingly, tip number three is where her children teach her, rather than she teaches them.

And the rest is platitudinous word salad, to be honest. With a bit of product promotion.

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Learn From Your Children
My children inspire me every day and in a lot of ways, they are my biggest teachers. I love seeing their unique perspective on the world, and I really appreciate their ability to look at things so differently.

Personally, I should imagine she just thinks it's fashionable, and he thinks it's wrong to be an effeminate boy so went online to ask, and got instantly targeted by all the bollocks propaganda.

She needs to wake up and realise it's not some cool accoutrement and she's the bloody adult here. Because the targeting won't stop.

https://sheerluxe.com/life/parenting/emma-bunton-shares-her-10-parenting-lessons

I think this is just evidence that sexist and homophobic thinking is still everywhere with its progressive looking disguises on.
And that some parents, even if they are powerful rich and successful parents, are still easy prey for the TRA front machines- those cheery looking charities that universally advise mums and dads that they could be risking terrible damage to their children or even death of a child, if they don’t actively encourage their child’s social transition.

There isn’t yet an equally broad brush strokes, easy breezy accessible campaign speaking directly to worried parents, that works in the GC direction. Although I have no doubt that will come in the future.

GC energy has had to be spent on combating the worst excesses of what is child abuse. GC causes have not had the luxury of well funded campaigns and free publicity from celebrity figureheads happy to air carefully curated status updates on their kids’ developmental stages on public social media, or a public climate of even being able to talk about GC issues without fear. That is not a criticism at all of GC campaigns or campaigners, this is a David and Goliath thing and the battle is of decades not years.

I’m grateful for KJK pushing the envelope in terms of influencing the wider cultural climate. It’s needed. She’s consistent and incredibly brave.

Sigourney Weaver’s non binary child is about 40 so I don’t know if we can say she’s jumping on a bandwagon. (I checked Wiki so I’m going on that info)

It probably is a bit of shock factor as well for the celebrity's children. Think about it, their parents are fussed over, in the spotlight, glamorous and rich (which they've grown up around). Prior to this new phenomenon you'd see so many stories about the offspring of famous people having addiction issues etc in their teenage years and into adulthood.

Rebellion against your parents is par for the course so of course some children of celebrities are going to take it to the next level. The issue is they aren't getting any push back about it (ie the parents are delighting in it, like in this case, and promoting it on social media etc).

The harmful impact of this is that it will influence the not so famous and then put pressure on those teens to emulate and unfortunately they'll be put on that path as well. It may be that these celebrity children will continue to go down the medical pathway, but it could just be a phase. Promoting it however will influence other teenagers and children whose parents don't have the resources to stop it when it gets out of hand.

Imho transitioning a child is child abuse.

Sounds like Busy just let her child be https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/12/03/busy-philipps-daughter-birdie

don’t you think that j lo and afflecks are doing it as some kind of rebellion? What are the chances of getting with someone and then all of a sudden both kids are changing pronouns and cutting their hair? It’s like they are like punks were in the late 70’s trying to shock.

Good God, really? I can’t say I’ve seen them publicising it except for Cher and tbf that was years ago and unusual then. Jamie Lee oh gosh the child is now married and I’m not saying anymore as I will sound bitchy but you can google. She is well supported at least.

Cher
Jamie Lee Curtis
Megan Fox/Brian Austin Green
J Lo
Ben Affleck/Jennifer Garner
Tori Spelling
Ally Sheedy
Sigorney Weaver
Busy Phillips

Stockwell?

You've worded this much better than I can 👏

But what has happened since is the rise of gender ideology with this concept that a child who plays with certain toys is trans. Gender ideology and Let Toys be Toys are polar opposites, but unfortunately I would say someone like Emma Bunton did the Let Toys be Toys when her son was younger and is now caught up with gender ideology, and now thinking that Let Toys be Toys was something else.

I get what you're saying here. I think Emma is actually gender critical and wanted her sons to just be themselves.

But the pressure from children (who are being coached online and in schools that gender identity is a real thing and that if they like 'girl' toys/activities they must be girls) towards their parents leaves people like Emma with a stark choice.

There is no middle ground. She must either go along with the lie to keep her child happy or act like the grown up she is and parent her child properly. This goes for his dad too of course.

But there was no need to post on social media about such a personal and private matter. Presumably she had her son's permission but, at 13, does she really believe he has the capacity or maturity to understand the audience.

She's done really badly here and failed to protect his privacy.

I would say someone like Emma Bunton did the Let Toys be Toys when her son was younger and is now caught up with gender ideology, and now thinking that Let Toys be Toys was something else.

So you're suggesting that 10 years ago she understood that it was OK for boys to play with dolls, and now she thinks that a boy playing with dolls means he's a girl in a boy's body?

Laurence you are wrong.

Toys are toys. Give a range of toys to children and they will develop a range of skills and interests. It won’t ‘turn’ them anything.
Social media on the other hand….

Richard Dawkins. He got a lot of pushback on that specifically, and has got a lot of flak more generally for his statements, writings and position on religion. Perhaps there are some double standards in some ways, but from what I've seen, it's hardly as if Dawkins gets a pass for commenting on religion rather than gender, or for being male rather than female. He might get fewer rape threats, or be more kindly looked on when he speaks confidently or assertively than women often are, but he's hardly sailed through with reputation intact.

Yes it is Laurence Fox! Seriously this is a case of 2+2=5.

Let Toys be Toys came about because science based and educational toys were being targeted at boys, whilst girls just had the household toys and dolls, so it was a feminist thing to do to say that girls can do science too! That is not controversial.

I didn't say that feminists caused trans activism.

But what has happened since is the rise of gender ideology with this concept that a child who plays with certain toys is trans. Gender ideology and Let Toys be Toys are polar opposites, but unfortunately I would say someone like Emma Bunton did the Let Toys be Toys when her son was younger and is now caught up with gender ideology, and now thinking that Let Toys be Toys was something else.

100% this. Fuck that crap!

Stephen Dawkins famously and controversially said foisting your religion on your child was child abuse. He's given the title of 'provocative thinker'....

I've not seen the post - I consider it abusive to lie, to lie to and block children's puberty and put them on a pathway to a life of medication, surgery, with no sexual function.

I'm not happy that girls, the Lesbians and Gay men, the autistic kids, the quirky kids, the fucking Tomboys are being told that they are wrong and they need to suffer to conform.

Fuck that.
I'm with Kelly-Jay.

We have been told that toys have no gender and so have allowed children to play with opposite gender toys (which is fine),

This ^^ always was, and still is, the gender critical position (except we wouldn't use the phrase opposite gender toys)

but a few years later and we've now hit the trans trend and have said that any child that played with opposite gender toys when they were younger is evidence of being trans.

This ^^ is the trans activist position which is sexist and regressive.

Do people not think gaslighting a child is abusive when the consequences are so serious?

This is far from pretending Santa exists.

To raise a child to think it's a positive thing to commit to a life of medication that has serious side effects and amputate healthy body parts beggars belief.

I remember when KJK first came on the scene and was being lambasted about SG "castrating" her son I thought "great" somebody is actually prepared to speak truth and stop talking in nice euphemisms like top/bottom surgery.

I genuinely don't understand why this is any different to a person fabricating illness in a child that leads to unnecessary medical intervention - something we rightly decry and find shocking. Where a child would be removed from that parent for their protection.

Yet here we are parallels of SG again of a boy who liked playing with dolls being gaslighted into thinking they can change sex.

What KJK is saying isn't wrong. What's shocking is that some people think that it is.

Is that you, Laurence Fox? No, feminists did not cause trans activism, FFS.

Forcing kids into rigid gender roles and transing kids are two sides of the same coin. The more rigid the boundaries between male and female, the harder it is for gender non-conforming kids to be accepted by society. Instead of accepting them, we now tell them their bodies are wrong and cut their genitals off.