Emma Bunton

I think KJK is right on this. Socially transitioning a child IS child abuse imho.

Lots of parents have affirmed even with personal misgivings, because that's what the experts told them is correct.

No one needs a medical expert to tell them that humans can't change sex.

People are so prissy about being 'kind' that they are harming children to satisfy men. Yes it's abusive.

Think about it. For just one second, stop parroting slogans and actually think about what is happening to these poor, neglected kids.

Why are people so stupid about this. She knows he can't change sex. Why is she pretending he can.

This is so harmful. What is he going to do when all those body changes make him so different to the girls he's friends with. When his voice deepens, his feet grow and he shoots up and broadens. This leads to so many other complications like ED to restrict growth and wanting to be medicalised to stop puberty.

Why would she, as a parent, actively want to make that happen to her son? Where are her protective instincts. And his dad too. He needs someone looking out for his welfare, not posting his private body dysmorphia on social media for woke points.

The interim Cass report (published over 2 years ago) said that social transition is not a neutral act and advised against it.

Which doctors do you think have advised parents to socially transition their children? GIDS? From what I can gather, most GPs just make a referral to GIDS (or the new gender clinics) as soon as gender is mentioned rather than offer advice. But most children who are socially transed by parents or teachers have not even seen a doctor for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

And if a child is under the care of a child gender clinic, I can't imagine that doctors would be advising their parents that they should be splashing their child's transition all over social media.

Abuse can still be abuse even if done on the best advice with the best of intentions. Millions of parents have — following what were to them the very highest and most trustworthy of authorities, and wanting only the best for their children — beaten their kids for bad behaviour. But most parents on MN wouldn't hesitate to call instilling discipline by regular beatings a form of abuse, regardless of the intent, or the advice of moral or religious authorities.

But why did she need to tell the world on social media if it wasn't for attention? How is this the right thing for her confused child? Surely this information should be for friends and family only, and there should always be an easy way for a child to change their mind or grow out of a phase without being labelled as something. It's harder to back down from something or change one's mind, the more people know about it and have you pigeon-holed.

I do think it is abuse to encourage anyone, particularly an impressionable child, to think that being born in the wrong body is a real thing and not an impossibility. I'm all for people being gender non-conforming, but fundamentally a he cannot become a she and vice versa - no matter how hard that Mermaids/Stonewall/etc. push their gender ideology propaganda.

Lots of parents have affirmed even with personal misgivings, because that's what the experts told them is correct. None of us know what went on in EB's family.

And what does that have to do with the price of fish? The Cass report has been around for all of five minutes. Mums have been advised by doctors for years now that they need to affirm. Cass hasn't even filtered down in a complete way through the medical community, or to create new policy, why would you think that regular mothers would be up on all of it?

Many many people do not decide what to do about medical questions by investigating the research themselves. They rely on what their doctors - not any doctors, but the specific ones they entrust their kids care to - have told them. I don't see why a singer in a pop band for teen girls would be expected to somehow be above that, she is a regular mum in the end.

Have you read the Cass report? Scientific research says that Transing children is definitely not recommended . They are probably gay or have a mental illness

I'm not willing to call parents doing what they are told by doctors and supposed experts is the right thing, abusers. I can be rather blunt at times, but I think that is a shit thing to do.

I don't know what EB was told by the people around her, or whether she was pushing for something, or what, but it is certainly not the case that this only happens with kids if the parents are the main pushers. Plenty pick it up in school.Nor do I know to wht extent EB is someone who would feel able to go outside of what the experts advised her and do her own research. Not everyone is equally able at that kind of thing.

By all means call the protocols and advice and ideologies anti-scientific, dangerous, wrongheaded, or even perverse. But unless KJK is quite sure that she could never, in the face of expert advice, make a real error with regards to her kids medical treatments, I think she is being a bit of a shit in this instance.

And any parent who is aware of their vulnerability to errors where their kids best interests are concerned will be less likely to see her as a down to earth lady protecting kids and more likely to see her as a blowhard know it all.

So language matters, except when you're calling a boy girl.

What is telling your child that their healthy body is innately wrong then? Spectacularly bad parenting?

I completely disagree that abuse is the right term.

We can hold different opinions, but language matters. Emma Bunton is clearly a very loving mother who is wanting to support her child. Calling her actions abuse is not ok.

Calling something offensive is not an argument.

Abuse is absolutely the correct term btw. Children are not able to give consent or make informed decisions about these sorts of things - this is why having sex with a child is always rape.

I agree. At the same time, I've always had my reservations about KJK.

Why are you saying that?

The poster was making a perfectly valid point, using a known occurrence, to explain the difference between accidents or disorders at birth, and the misuse of the fact they exist as a reason for harmful practices on a healthy body or mind.

There are some people born without arms, and some people who want their healthy arms cut off because of a dysphoric sense about them, or a fetish.

I think what PP meant was that babies born with what used to be called 'abnormalities' and are now more usually referred to as disorders, does not mean that it's fine to remove healthy body parts, or that sex can be changed.

It is damaging to tell your child that lie.

Righto

@goldenshred congratulations on one of the most offensive and unnecessary posts I’ve seen. Words like ‘abuse’ and ‘cult’ are just a ridiculous over-reaction.

Your Thalidomide reference is beyond tasteless.

They notice the golden bridge and they take it quietly and without fanfare.

If they've well and truly had a change of heart, then they cross the bridge to a fanfare and embark on a media tour to explain how they came to this realisation. They plausibly explain that they came to realise the evidence had been misrepresented to them or that their natural empathy had caused them to overlook the consequences for women's rights and for safeguarding children.

I'm sure celebrities have media specialists who can work out a strategy that minimises loss of face and may even boost their social credit.

Trouble is as the trans thing gets more and more discredited especially around children (thank God) how do these celebs get off this ridiculous bandwagon without looking like utter fools. KJK is spot on.

Allowing your child to believe they are the opposite sex and facilitating them dressing/behaving as such IS child abuse.