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Scottish Parliament votes to accept Cass Report - Forbes made Deputy First Minister

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fromorbit · 08/05/2024 19:32

The amended motion that passed was as follows

That the Parliament welcomes the report submitted by Dr Hilary Cass on gender identity services for children and young people; recognises the report as a valid scientific document, and calls on the Scottish Government to thoroughly examine the recommendations of the NHS England commissioned report, and its applicability to NHS Scotland services, and to update the Parliament on the outcome before the summer recess and further calls on the Scottish Government to publish all papers relating to the multi-disciplinary clinical team work in assessing Dr Cass’s recommendations, and to urgently prepare a progress report on the existing strategy for reducing long waits for children and young people to access specialist gender services.

It passed 113 to 7 [presumably the Greens voted against.] It was amended to give the Government a longer period to formulate a response. Note the insane Green motion undermining the report was not even tabled.

Turns out the difficult women were right ALL along. Take a bow ladies.

Check out the full debate with the rabid contribution from Harvey and good ones from most other parties starts 15:15. Lots of Ferrets to be seen.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/meeting-of-the-parliament-may-8-2024

Meanwhile in not unconnected news Kate Forbes became Deputy First Minister with various other important roles too. This makes Forbes more or less certain to be the next SNP leader one suspects.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68976320

She couldn't have done it without the Greens getting rid of Humza and then voting to keep the SNP in power. Which I am sure they are totally fine with :) Once again the Greens lack of competence comes to bite them. It could be that the SNP is starting to grasp reality we shall see.

Kate Forbes

Kate Forbes 'honoured' to become deputy first minister

John Swinney has announced his first cabinet after being officially sworn in as first minister.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68976320

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lechiffre55 · 09/05/2024 22:16

Rainbowshit · 09/05/2024 21:06

I am very much here for Kate Forbes scrolling on her phone as beaker slags her off. 🤭 Exactly the respect he should be given.

x.com/holyrooddaily/status/1788567153517506798?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

In that clip you linked to there is a transcript:

"I'm being asked to vote for someone who thinks there's something wrong with me, not because of any views I hold but simply because of who I am. I will not do that."
my bold and underline

Does this not apply to how the greens view kids who think they are trans?
If we accept "simply because of who I am" means that's how nature made me, then:
greens thinks there's something wrong with trans identifying kids, simply because of who they are/how nature made them

bluebellsandspring · 09/05/2024 21:12

It isn't entirely clear whether John Swinney is CofS or Catholic. This states CofS and I did hear the presenter on Radio Scotland correct herself earlier in the week when she said at first he was Catholic and then changed her mind. It is possible he has changed his mind since his first marriage.

John Swinney’s unfussy election as leader reflects his esteem within SNP | John Swinney | The Guardian

John Swinney’s unfussy election as leader reflects his esteem within SNP

Party’s return to minority government after a year of upheaval will test his renowned negotiating skills

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/06/john-swinney-unfussy-election-leader-reflects-esteem-snp

Rainbowshit · 09/05/2024 21:06

I am very much here for Kate Forbes scrolling on her phone as beaker slags her off. 🤭 Exactly the respect he should be given.

x.com/holyrooddaily/status/1788567153517506798?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

HirplesWithHaggis · 09/05/2024 20:53

According to Wiki:

*"Personal life

Swinney was married to Lorna King from 1991 to 1998. They had two children: Judith and Stuart. The couple divorced in 1998 after the Daily Record revealed King had an affair with a married nursery teacher.[122] The marriage was subsequently annulled by the Scottish Catholic Tribunal in order that Swinney be allowed to marry in the Catholic Church in Scotland.[123]

In 2003, Swinney married Elizabeth Quigley, a BBC Scotland News reporter.[124] Quigley was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in 2000.[125] In 2010, she gave birth to Swinney's third child, Matthew.[126][127] They live near Blairgowrie in Perth and Kinross.[128]

Swinney has described himself as "a man of deep Christian faith".[129]"*

So, Catholic? 🤔

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 20:44

Not knowing whether you are CoS or Catholic can be a serious issues in some parts of Scotland. Swinney will shed votes if he keeps that up!

bluebellsandspring · 09/05/2024 20:41

John Swinney has also been reported to be a member of the Church of Scotland. This was raised in a BBC radio Scotland programme the other day and they said initially he was a Catholic and then later in the programme corrected themselves and said he was Church of Scotland. In any event, no one seems to be raising it as an issue.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2024 20:10

StainlessSteelMouse · 09/05/2024 18:19

The way Harvie talks about her, you'd think she'd stolen his toadstool and fishing rod.

😂😂😂

ArabellaScott · 09/05/2024 19:53

It's almost admirable how two men who've been accused of misogyny so many times are still willing to stand up in Parliament and condemn and impugn a woman because she has been raised to a position of power that they think she shouldn't hold.

They clearly aren't even a bit ashamed at their open hatred of a powerful woman.

ArabellaScott · 09/05/2024 19:42

StainlessSteelMouse · 09/05/2024 18:19

The way Harvie talks about her, you'd think she'd stolen his toadstool and fishing rod.

😁

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 19:00

Faith is a protected characteristic and a personal matter. I don’t have a problem with MPs msps whatever having a faith or none. I have a problem with them refusing to meet with constituents, experts or debate. So I have a problem wirh Patrick Harvey.

StainlessSteelMouse · 09/05/2024 18:19

ArabellaScott · 09/05/2024 16:53

To be fair he has made statements on his views on abortion and equality marriage in the past, so I assume it's been something people have brought up before.

But Forbes certainly seems to have attracted far more vitriol and anger from people like, say, Patrick Harvie, despite her support for women's right to choose and equal marriage.

The way Harvie talks about her, you'd think she'd stolen his toadstool and fishing rod.

HirplesWithHaggis · 09/05/2024 17:04

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 15:15

I didn’t even know Blackford is a wee free. That’s probably significant, isn’t it?

one rule for the men

And I have read recently that John Swinney is Catholic, didn't know that either

ArabellaScott · 09/05/2024 16:53

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 15:15

I didn’t even know Blackford is a wee free. That’s probably significant, isn’t it?

one rule for the men

To be fair he has made statements on his views on abortion and equality marriage in the past, so I assume it's been something people have brought up before.

But Forbes certainly seems to have attracted far more vitriol and anger from people like, say, Patrick Harvie, despite her support for women's right to choose and equal marriage.

110APiccadilly · 09/05/2024 16:49

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2024 14:11

Ian Blackford is a Wee Free and didn’t get the amount of vitriol that’s thrown at Forbes.

His religion didn’t stop him from acquiring the SNP leadership job at Westminster.

Fair enough, though I still think (at least at the UK level) that mainstream media/ politicians are more likely to go after Christians than Muslims with these sorts of questions. I think we're both right actually - they're more likely to go after Christians and more likely to go after women.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2024 16:41

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 15:15

I didn’t even know Blackford is a wee free. That’s probably significant, isn’t it?

one rule for the men

'Twas ever thus...

BloodyHellKenAgain · 09/05/2024 15:51

StainlessSteelMouse · 09/05/2024 13:40

Patrick Harvie sounds thoroughly scundered, and I'll take that for the moment.

I'm playing a tiny, tiny violin for him 😂

INeedAPensieve · 09/05/2024 15:20

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 15:15

I didn’t even know Blackford is a wee free. That’s probably significant, isn’t it?

one rule for the men

Indeed...

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 15:15

I didn’t even know Blackford is a wee free. That’s probably significant, isn’t it?

one rule for the men

334bu · 09/05/2024 14:57

Regardless of the trans element, Kate Forbes is bad bad bad news for all women. Anti-abortionists are delighted she’s got in.

Humza Yousaf didn't vote for any progressive legislation either, unlike Kate Forbes. HY always had an urgent meeting when he might have had to vote for something his religion might object to.

socialwannabe · 09/05/2024 14:50

misscockerspaniel · 09/05/2024 14:39

Without wishing to derail the thread, if the election was today and there were only two names/parties on the ballot paper, would you vote SNP or Labour, or abstain or may be, even, spoil the ballot paper?

Oh my goodness, tricky! AS has been the most dishonestly back pedalling of all the politicians since the Cass Review Trying to claim the SNP tricked him into voting for the GRA was just pathetic. Have no respect for the man.

Mind you, SNP have been full tilt behind this madness for so long.

I would spoil my paper. SNP would have to do more than words to win my trust.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2024 14:47

Scottish Labour was just as bad over gender reform in most respects, with the exception of those who supported the Lamont amendment on medical matters.

Sorry, can’t provide links at the moment - I’m out the house and on my phone.

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2024 14:44

Under the new circumstances, I’d vote SNP.

misscockerspaniel · 09/05/2024 14:39

Without wishing to derail the thread, if the election was today and there were only two names/parties on the ballot paper, would you vote SNP or Labour, or abstain or may be, even, spoil the ballot paper?

socialwannabe · 09/05/2024 14:29

Wow! This is a much stronger statement on the Cass report than the Welsh Senedd managed. Our entire parliament risks ending up as isolated as the bampot Scottish greens if its not careful.

I think Scotland may have grown in a way Wales has failed to do..

WearyAuldWumman · 09/05/2024 14:11

110APiccadilly · 09/05/2024 12:50

Do you have examples of high profile male Wee Frees that don't get asked constantly about their views on abortion etc?

Or for that matter high profile English Muslims who do? (By mainatream sources - obviously I know there are nutjobs online claiming Khan has a cunning plan to make London Muslim or whatever - to which the obvious response is that if so he's epically bad at implementing it.)

I think it's naïve to think that the type of religion involved isn't relevant as well as the sex of the religious person.

And I get why that might be - in a country with a majority Christian heritage, (most) people don't want to pick on members of minority religions. It feels like bullying. But if the questions are relevant, they're relevant.

Ian Blackford is a Wee Free and didn’t get the amount of vitriol that’s thrown at Forbes.

His religion didn’t stop him from acquiring the SNP leadership job at Westminster.

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