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Scottish Parliament votes to accept Cass Report - Forbes made Deputy First Minister

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fromorbit · 08/05/2024 19:32

The amended motion that passed was as follows

That the Parliament welcomes the report submitted by Dr Hilary Cass on gender identity services for children and young people; recognises the report as a valid scientific document, and calls on the Scottish Government to thoroughly examine the recommendations of the NHS England commissioned report, and its applicability to NHS Scotland services, and to update the Parliament on the outcome before the summer recess and further calls on the Scottish Government to publish all papers relating to the multi-disciplinary clinical team work in assessing Dr Cass’s recommendations, and to urgently prepare a progress report on the existing strategy for reducing long waits for children and young people to access specialist gender services.

It passed 113 to 7 [presumably the Greens voted against.] It was amended to give the Government a longer period to formulate a response. Note the insane Green motion undermining the report was not even tabled.

Turns out the difficult women were right ALL along. Take a bow ladies.

Check out the full debate with the rabid contribution from Harvey and good ones from most other parties starts 15:15. Lots of Ferrets to be seen.

https://www.scottishparliament.tv/meeting/meeting-of-the-parliament-may-8-2024

Meanwhile in not unconnected news Kate Forbes became Deputy First Minister with various other important roles too. This makes Forbes more or less certain to be the next SNP leader one suspects.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68976320

She couldn't have done it without the Greens getting rid of Humza and then voting to keep the SNP in power. Which I am sure they are totally fine with :) Once again the Greens lack of competence comes to bite them. It could be that the SNP is starting to grasp reality we shall see.

Kate Forbes

Kate Forbes 'honoured' to become deputy first minister

John Swinney has announced his first cabinet after being officially sworn in as first minister.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-68976320

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ArabellaScott · 11/05/2024 16:06

Swinney committed to gender reform.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c97zv90d77do

ArabellaScott · 11/05/2024 13:20

The Greens may pick up a few hundred new members. On the scale of things, this will have no impact at all.

All I need to know is how on earth to tactically vote to try and get as few Greens in power as possible.

HirplesWithHaggis · 11/05/2024 13:00

Given the list situation and the depressing number of people I see on X saying they're leaving the SNP (yay!) and joining the Greens (WTF???), I suspect he'll still be seatwarming in Holyrood. :(

lonelywater · 10/05/2024 20:28

BonfireLady · 10/05/2024 16:47

Hopefully he is just trying to buy some time, by blaming Westminster, to wait and see how all of this pans out post-Cass.

Patrick Harvie is currently making himself and the Greens look like utter nutjobs. The Streisand Effect that he is creating by digging in will allow all sorts of reverse ferreting, including the more subtle types. People will fall over themselves to throw him under a bus, I'm sure (pointing out that they are just nice, whereas he is taking it too far). I wonder how hard John Swinney will actually work to remove the section 35 block. Presumably it's just better to keep it in place for now and then forget that you were angry about it later, once nobody wants the GRR bill anymore. He'll be able to practice some lines like "we didn't have the evidence before", "it was complicated" and then move on if he's grilled on it in future. He's pivoting at the right time for that to be a plausible approach, particularly as the bill/law would have allowed 16 year olds to "change gender".
Meanwhile, Patrick Harvie rants on. I can't imagine too many more politicians, in Scotland or in Westminster, will do so. Kate Osbourne, Dawn Butler and Kirsty Blackman perhaps... It'll interesting to listen to their incoherent doubling down too if they do. Bring it on....

Harvie (along with Slater and person person) is a complete loon who will go down with the ship. wonder where he will be in 5 years time?

BonfireLady · 10/05/2024 16:47

Rainbowshit · 10/05/2024 13:23

Hopefully he is just trying to buy some time, by blaming Westminster, to wait and see how all of this pans out post-Cass.

Patrick Harvie is currently making himself and the Greens look like utter nutjobs. The Streisand Effect that he is creating by digging in will allow all sorts of reverse ferreting, including the more subtle types. People will fall over themselves to throw him under a bus, I'm sure (pointing out that they are just nice, whereas he is taking it too far). I wonder how hard John Swinney will actually work to remove the section 35 block. Presumably it's just better to keep it in place for now and then forget that you were angry about it later, once nobody wants the GRR bill anymore. He'll be able to practice some lines like "we didn't have the evidence before", "it was complicated" and then move on if he's grilled on it in future. He's pivoting at the right time for that to be a plausible approach, particularly as the bill/law would have allowed 16 year olds to "change gender".
Meanwhile, Patrick Harvie rants on. I can't imagine too many more politicians, in Scotland or in Westminster, will do so. Kate Osbourne, Dawn Butler and Kirsty Blackman perhaps... It'll interesting to listen to their incoherent doubling down too if they do. Bring it on....

RayonSunrise · 10/05/2024 16:29

Of course they want to say it's just Westminster holding them back - that way they can place both sides of the fence and it's someone else's fault.

socialwannabe · 10/05/2024 16:13

That is not good news.

Having courted this lobby for so long, I presume they do not want to lose them to the greens.

I had hoped the SNP might want to quietly step away from all of this nonsense. but maybe they will just blame Westminster for not getting the GRA through and will want to be seen to do what they can.

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 14:42

Out for Indy:

'The FM's team reached out to us last night and we will be meeting this evening. We are reassured by his swift response to our concerns and those raised by the wider community, and we look forward to being able to share the results of the meeting with our members.

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 14:42

Here's Swinney talking about 'enhancing' the rights of LGBT people, including the ban on 'conversion therapy'.

https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1788847987193524247

https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1788847987193524247

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 14:32

Bearing in mind Scotland is often used as a testing ground for controversial policy.

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 14:31

Yep. I want to hear from Anas Sarwar. What's he doing to do once Labour are in power?

Rainbowshit · 10/05/2024 13:23

Damn. Got a bit overexcited. 😭

x.com/connorgillies/status/1788894397771239908?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 12:42

'Misreading of the law here from John Swinney. There was no Gender Reform law ruling from the Supreme Ct. And the s.35 veto does not preclude altering the Bill. I would have thought he would have known that'

'The only court ruling on the GRR Bill was an Outer House Ct of Session (Edinburgh based) judicial review ruling on the UK govt's decision to use s.35 order. SG lost this and could have appealed but didn't.

'This is different from a Supreme Ct ruling on the limits of the powers of the Scottish Parly as we saw in the referendum case and a couple of others.'

https://twitter.com/DrNikLaw/status/1788845511149011265

(Nick McKerrell, Law lecturer)

https://twitter.com/DrNikLaw/status/1788845511149011265

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 10:39

Hm. Actually that's not changing position. It's just stating the existing situation. He needs to strike the GRR off the statue book, I believe?

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 10:36

YES!

EasternStandard · 10/05/2024 10:30

Rainbowshit · 10/05/2024 10:16

Swinney says they can't proceed with the GRR legislation.

x.com/skynews/status/1788837929244135795?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

LMFAO. He was just keeping the greens inside until they voted for him for FM. 😂😂

Great!

Rainbowshit · 10/05/2024 10:16

Swinney says they can't proceed with the GRR legislation.

x.com/skynews/status/1788837929244135795?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

LMFAO. He was just keeping the greens inside until they voted for him for FM. 😂😂

GerbilStyle · 10/05/2024 10:02

Have you got any reverse ferret examples I can enjoy reading?

ArabellaScott · 10/05/2024 09:11

Who could have anticipated reverse ferret racing as the most compelling spectator sport of the 2020s?

EasternStandard · 10/05/2024 08:15

Brilliant. The impact from the Cass report is great

fromorbit · 10/05/2024 08:08

The message about how isolated the Greens are is getting out in the media.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/08/scottish-greens-only-party-to-vote-against-cass-review/

Text of the debate:
https://www.parliament.scot/api/sitecore/CustomMedia/OfficialReport?meetingId=15844

The voting for the Cass Report is here. Note Nichola Sturgeon voted to accept it.
https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/votes-and-motions/S6M-13090

Voting on the amendment:
https://www.parliament.scot/chamber-and-committees/votes-and-motions/S6M-13090-4

General election sometime in the next 8 months. It seems clear that the SNP is reverse ferretting, but how far remains to be seen. They cannot afford more internal division right now. Turning on the Greens politically over Gender makes sense and is going to be popular within the party. In turn that pushes the other parties on the same path. SNP ferrets are now racing to reverse faster than Scottish Labour ferrets who started reversing earlier. My suspicion is the SNP may end up blaming EVERYTHING bad on the Greens while claiming to be innocent of anything that goes wrong.

The key thing is SNP MSPs do not want to be seen on the same side as the Greens regarding the Cass Report. However the Cass report screws up the premise for the Conversion Therapy ban. My suspicion is that bill will pass, but it hopefully will be amended so much it will be a dead letter.

Which in turn will have an impact on any conversion therapy bill passed at Westminster.

Scottish Greens ‘prioritising gender ideology over protecting children’

Co-leader Patrick Harvie said party could not support the Cass review as a ‘valid scientific document’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/08/scottish-greens-only-party-to-vote-against-cass-review

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ArabellaScott · 09/05/2024 22:50

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/05/2024 20:44

Not knowing whether you are CoS or Catholic can be a serious issues in some parts of Scotland. Swinney will shed votes if he keeps that up!

Maybe he's Partick Thistle.

Rainbowshit · 09/05/2024 22:47

Greer seems to forget that religious belief is just as much a protected characteristic under the equality act as his sexuality is.

HirplesWithHaggis · 09/05/2024 22:29

Seems Ross Greer is also a committed Christian! (Denomination unspecified)

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1788568390581268855?s=19

https://twitter.com/ginadavidsonlbc/status/1788568390581268855?s=19