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Trans+ History Week

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zanahoria · 08/05/2024 15:25

It is that time of year again, time to make stuff up and call it trans history!

Stonewall are starting us with the absurd fact that Joan of Arc lived and died over three thousands years ago

1479 - 1458 BCE: Joan of Arc was willing to die at the stake rather than stop wearing men’s clothing.

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/blog/why-do-we-need-trans-history-week

Feel free to pass it on or make up whatever rubbish you like!

Why do we need Trans+ History Week?

What is Trans+ History Week?  Founded by QueerAF, Trans+ History Week (6 – 12 May 2024) is a week to learn and celebrate the rich and long history of trans, non-binary, gender diverse, and intersex people. It is a time to...

https://www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/blog/why-do-we-need-trans-history-week

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quantumbutterfly · 11/05/2024 11:58

TomPinch · 11/05/2024 11:50

I see Princess Anne is riding Prince Philip, who was identifying as a horse that day.

Neigh, neigh and thrice neigh.

TomPinch · 11/05/2024 11:50

wintheday · 08/05/2024 18:53

I wonder what they might make of Princess Anne in her 'male' attire (including that very fetching plumed bicorn hat) leading the military contingent at Charles' coronation.
https://forum.chronofhorse.com/t/princess-anne-rides-in-coronation-procession-as-her-brother-king-charles-gold-stick-to-lead-military-contingent/785255/1

I see Princess Anne is riding Prince Philip, who was identifying as a horse that day.

RethinkingLife · 11/05/2024 11:48

I wish I were not quoting something that someone has claimed but…

…gay and trans! Turing was one of the first Gay men to go on estrogen

That's quite the take on DES punitive castration therapy as an alternative to imprisonment for the then crime of homosexuality. Discussed here with a good synopsis of Turing's remarkable life and achievements.

https://williamaferguson.substack.com/p/trans-out-your-dead?s=r

Trans Out Your Dead

How Trans Rights Activists Are Declaring The Dead "Trans" As They're No Longer With Us And Can't Object To The Anachronism

https://williamaferguson.substack.com/p/trans-out-your-dead?s=r

ProfessorFJLewisThatsYouThatIs · 11/05/2024 11:35

Robert the Bruce: actually called Fiona

She is routinely misrepresented (and misnamed) as a Scottish man; but her roots are actually 100% Australian, where she always identified throughout her entire life as Roberta the Sheila.

SinnerBoy · 11/05/2024 09:10

WickedSerious · Yesterday 21:23

+ + 'the challenges of researching and writing transgender history'. + +

I can imagine,it must be painful dragging all that bilge out of your arse.

😆

JellySaurus · 11/05/2024 09:05

ErrolTheDragon · 10/05/2024 17:48

BCE/CE are pretty standard academic usage now I thought - but that does kinda require not mixing them up and getting the actual dates right.

Ignorant idiots - such gross disrespect of womens history, they can't even bother to apply a bit of basic knowledge or proofreading while stealing it.Angry

Academic usage. No…of all the things you could call Stonewall, I don’t think it would be fair to call them ‘academic’.

lonelywater · 10/05/2024 23:38

FlakyPoet · 10/05/2024 23:25

Who funds this bollocks “research” and who is (voluntarily) reading it??

No one reads it.

This is the Emperor’s New Clothes.

There’s a load of illogical densely-worded bullshit that tires brains and people tasked with reading it clearly give up half way and wave it through.

Think Butler's entire career is founded on exactly this. An entire cadre of academics, wading through acres of impenetrable bollocks give up wondering what that nonsense was about and take the easy option of thinking its way over my head so it must be brilliant (much like your average maths student confronted with quantum physics)

FlakyPoet · 10/05/2024 23:25

Who funds this bollocks “research” and who is (voluntarily) reading it??

No one reads it.

This is the Emperor’s New Clothes.

There’s a load of illogical densely-worded bullshit that tires brains and people tasked with reading it clearly give up half way and wave it through.

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 10/05/2024 23:18

The ‘where’ in the title refers simultaneously to the geographical range of transgender history, the issues around subsuming different cultural practices of gender and sexuality into ‘transgender’ history, and the direction the field is going In.

Sounds like a liminal place where unicorns eat rainbows and sleep on clouds when they're not being tamed by maidens and frolicking with Teletubbies.

Supersimkin2 · 10/05/2024 22:54

Henry VIII is so clearly a woman it’s a joke - jewelled knickerbockers and a spangled codpiece to better display her lady-penis.

Supersimkin2 · 10/05/2024 22:47

Funny how it’s always women’s histories traduced, isn’t it.

MillOnTheGoss · 10/05/2024 22:47

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redalex261 · 10/05/2024 22:47

Hmm. Laughed quite a bit at this thread. But I agree the utterly tone deaf, misogynistic flat-out lies contained the original Stonewall article beggars belief.

What kind of mentally stunted people have they got working for them who think this level of lazy bullshit is a day’s work?? Stonewall really need to either pack up their tent and close or fuck off to Qatar or somewhere that really needs some advocacy on gay rights.

I must say the forthcoming event with Dr Onni Gust looks very unedifying. My quick scan of Onni’s previous works revealed a word salad of publications attempting to connect every conceivable topic to gender and identity - by any means possible. Who funds this bollocks “research” and who is (voluntarily) reading it??

SabrinaThwaite · 10/05/2024 22:25

MagpiePi · 09/05/2024 09:38

Wasn’t there a pope (an exclusively male position) who was a woman and they only found out when she gave birth? And since then, they make new popes sit on a chair with no seat so they can check the genitals.
I can’t decide if this is transphobic or pro trans, but isn’t having your genitals checked one before being admitted to a sexed space one of the trans fixations?

In any case - popes - the swishy robes and bling. 🤔

Pope Joan.

There’s been some interesting popey goings on over the years - Pope Formosus was put on trial for alleged bad poping, despite having been dead for a few months.

Anyway, you’ve reminded me:

Trans+ History Week
lonelywater · 10/05/2024 21:55

WickedSerious · 10/05/2024 21:23

'the challenges of researching and writing transgender history'.

I can imagine,it must be painful dragging all that bilge out of your arse.

save your sympathy for that twat doing a Phd in trans archeology. That must be a very long afternoon, poor lamb.

WickedSerious · 10/05/2024 21:23

'the challenges of researching and writing transgender history'.

I can imagine,it must be painful dragging all that bilge out of your arse.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/05/2024 17:51

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/05/2024 12:04

You forgot Charlotte, Emily and Anne Bronte, @MillOnTheGoss, who were clearly the transwoman alters of Branwell Bronte.

Why are you deadnaming Culler, Ellis and Acton Bell? Shock
Don't you be starting on the George's Sand and Elliot.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/05/2024 17:48

JellySaurus · 08/05/2024 18:59

They are either queering the binary of before and after, or they're performing diversity (or inclusivity or something) without actually thinking about how to do it effectively. BCE and CE are used by Jewish people, and by others who don't want to refer to the era in which they live as 'the year of our Lord' when they don't recognise Jesus as their Lord. Tokenism. Just like the rest of their version of inclusivity.

BCE/CE are pretty standard academic usage now I thought - but that does kinda require not mixing them up and getting the actual dates right.

Ignorant idiots - such gross disrespect of womens history, they can't even bother to apply a bit of basic knowledge or proofreading while stealing it.Angry

yetanotherusernameAgain · 10/05/2024 17:27

On the subject of Trans History, there's an online talk hosted by UCL this Monday (13 May) by Dr Onni Gust from University of Nottingham.

Trans history: What? Why? Where?

Transgender history has developed at an incredible pace over the last five years with new research illustrating gender diversity across all time periods and regions. This seminar discusses the emergence of the field of transgender history, the challenges of researching and writing transgender history and why it is important. The ‘where’ in the title refers simultaneously to the geographical range of transgender history, the issues around subsuming different cultural practices of gender and sexuality into ‘transgender’ history, and the direction the field is going In.

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/onni-gust-in-person-livestreamed-event-tickets-891878752357?aff=oddtdtcreator

Onni Gust [In-person & Livestreamed Event]

This talk discusses the emergence of the field of transgender history, the challenges of researching, writing and importance.

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/onni-gust-in-person-livestreamed-event-tickets-891878752357?aff=oddtdtcreator

MillOnTheGoss · 09/05/2024 18:05

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WickedSerious · 09/05/2024 12:36

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Ooh,great name for a band.

MillOnTheGoss · 09/05/2024 12:08

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 09/05/2024 12:04

You forgot Charlotte, Emily and Anne Bronte, @MillOnTheGoss, who were clearly the transwoman alters of Branwell Bronte.

Grammarnut · 09/05/2024 11:59

TempestTost · 08/05/2024 17:07

I don't think she did actually wear men's clothing.

She did. This was one of the accusations against her. She also slept among the men she was leading and wore armour.

MillOnTheGoss · 09/05/2024 11:47

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