Daniel Radcliffe doubles down

There's so many bits in that book on a second reading you realise everything could change in a moment if the characters would only look at the clues there.
And then there's planting the horcrux in that book. It's really quite a skill to link things together without being cumbersome or obvious but the whole series is littered with these little hints.

Yeah I agree that scene lives rent free in my head. He must have kids, the absolute raw emotion never fails to leave me deeply effected and wanting to go check my kids in bed.

I’ve thought for the last several years that there some critics’ organization or another should create an award for movie performances under ten minutes. If there were, the guy who plays Cedric’s dad would deserve a nomination, IMO.

Okay, how weird is this - my older daughter and I are reading GoF and we just read that chapter last night. 😮

They definitely mean something in terms of industry recognition and future opportunities. Let’s just admit it, everybody - as much as we may want him to have a shit career, he’s doing well for himself and in fact seems to be at a high point. A bad career would be something like doing Lifetime original movies and low-budget horror movies that debut on one of the smaller streaming services.

Erm awards? After reading how all the glitzy award nominations and final choices are made and who makes those choices, hard pass on believing that they actually mean anything.

What I find particularly gut wrenching is that it's Cedric Diggory's father's intervention, telling Arthur to go 'smooth things out' for Mad Eye which stops the imposter being detected and gets him into Hogwarts where he sets up the events that result in Cedric's death.

The movie death that actually makes me weep buckets is Cedric Diggory (that's my son!😭)

every time, its gut wrenching

@YankSplaining really good points. I actually think my dislike for Sirius comes down to projection somewhat thinking about it. It's that combination of two rash characters that lead to his death, but because it's Harry that ends up living with the guilt and he's a child I think it colours my judgement. As a surrogate parent Sirius leaves much to be desired but he's certainly an interesting character. I absolutely hate reading his death and aftermath and often skip them.

The scene where Harry lashes out in the book is so raw that, no I don't think DR pulled it off. (The movie death that actually makes me weep buckets is Cedric Diggory (that's my son!😭)

Yeah the naming thing annoys me, I get why she did it but they sound like the names a Harry Potter geek would give their kids. I'm not a huge fan of naming kids after dead people in real life either so I find the epilogue absolute cringe.

It's interesting because Harry Potter follows the classic orphan fairytale device, no parents so can throw them into peril they must solve, coming of age etc. And although he collects parental figures throughout the series they all represent different parental strengths in different ways, none as fully rounded as you believe James and Lily would have been. Molly and Sirius in particular butt horns because they represent two sides of parenthood. The way they speak to eachother at times gives me secondhand embarrassment!

Jo, you're fucking killing us here.

Oh he absolutely has an acting career. I just don't know how, because he's fucking shit.

Yeah, it was kind of a perfect storm of flaws.

I feel like Sirius was so devalued by JKR and other characters after his death. We hear a passing remark towards the beginning of HBP that there’s going to be an investigation about his wrongful conviction, but if there is, we never see it. No one gives Sirius a memorial service. It seems like pretty much every time a character mentions him after his death, it’s in the context of his flaws - Sirius was rash, Sirius wasn’t nice to Kreacher. Harry had more angst and nightmares over Cedric’s death than he does over Sirius’s death. When Harry has his own kids, it’s important for us to know that one son has the middle name Severus, but Harry’s other son having the middle name Sirius is sort of second-class, semi-canonical information in that JKR didn’t include it in the actual books.

Sirius is my favorite character because I relate to him more than any other character. He goes through severe depression; he doesn’t bother phrasing things with social finesse; people misinterpret him because he doesn’t react the way they think he should. (Everybody thinks he’s a particularly evil person because he laughed after the Potters died. He laughed because he was stunned by the irony that Peter had outwitted them all.) He’s rash (I have ADHD) and highly verbal. He’s loyal to his friends and it doesn’t occur to him that some of them might not be as loyal in return. He feels guilty about things that aren’t his fault (he feels he “as good as killed” James and Lily). He prioritizes doing what he feels to be right over getting along with other people. He has a hard time seeing nuance in people he hates. He does his best to be Harry’s parent figure while fighting his own inner demons. He would die to save people he loves.

I was born in 1986, so I was a teenager during Pottermania. People were always like, “You’re a girl and you love books - I bet your favorite character is Hermione,” but Sirius was always my “spirit animal.”

Hes currently on broadway and has a Tony nomination for best actor in a musical so hes not doing bad at all
https://www.tonyawards.com/nominees/

Facts

What I love about that is the layers.

It's assertive, amusing, claims ownership of karma as female, and uses TRA's favourite weapon, terf, as a triumph.

She has an absolutely brilliant knack of turning the tables using people's own words and behaviour.

Look what she did with Willoughby, after they claimed all the people on that list were sex offenders.

Perfect put down.

It's not just her power riles them up, it's her willingness, and talent, as a woman, to verbally put them down at the drop of a hat - sends them into the stratosphere.

Please please please please. Though I'm still rolling from Jo's "They say karma's a bitch, but I hear she's a TERF."

I agree that Sirius isn't to 'blame' for his actions it's a series of actions and poor character decisions highlighting their flaws that lead to his death. Harry's rashness and need to be the hero (not to mention ignoring Hermione) Dumbledore's secrecy and lack of compassion if the big picture is concerned, Snape's lingering resentment, Sirius' rashness and abuse of Kreacher. They all come together to end in tragedy and all the characters need to learn from this to 'win'.

I think it's all far more clever than finding blame. I think it's basically a commentary on how difficult it is to break abuse cycles. Sirius is abused by his parents (alluded to at least) Kreacher is abused systematically. To align Kreacher with the 'goodies' he needed to be treated with respect. Molly couldn't do it, as a 'blood traitor' he wouldn't listen. Nor Harry as a half blood. Hermione tried but was in no position to do so. Sirius as the pure blood black stood the most chance but it's notable that he hadn't worked through his own trauma and this was being made worse by Dumbledore's actions. This isn't excusing it, just an explanation. Dumbledore did say they should be kind to Kreacher and recognised the danger, but, being Dumbledore and stuck in his own coping mechanism of withholding information, perhaps failed to show the true danger. It was staring them in the face when Kreacher starts favouring Bellatrix's picture and with all the information he could have figured it out.

I think it's notable that in the end, for Kreacher, the cycle is broken when Regulus shows with actions not words he renounces the true blood maniac. This coupled with Hermione's persistent concern for him and Harry's actions on discovering what happened in the cave meant he was able to see her as worthy after being brainwashed for so long.

Jo, we know you lurk here (or maybe you post, who knows?)...can you post that genius line on X?

😂😂😂 perfect

Inclusive in the tweets, TERFS in the sheets…

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Inclusive in the tweets, TERFS in the sheets…

Imo, analysing literature is mostly a subjective exercise, and your analysis exposes you and the author, your relationship with their words. I often wondered what the writers would make of our analyses when we studied texts for o-level.
Language was created for communication but can be given contextual interpretation, (and the corresponding exhorbitant legal fee).

Gwenog's outstanding analysis rings as true as Yanksplaining's.

Creators put a part of themselves into their creations. This of course means that all jkr's works are her horcruxes, little pieces of immortality, and she only needed to kill off fictional characters in the making of them. That's an awful lot of book burning before you can kill off the big bad witch!

I remember reading the threads here speculating how the story would unfold with each book as they were being published, and wondering if jkr was reading or even contributing to mumsnet. I'm sure at least one person raised the idea of Harry the horcrux before the plot was fully formed in the books.

We all watched the child actors growing up in the spotlight and tbf that's not an easy thing and there have been demons for them.

I'm in awe of the complexity of jkr's brain, her work ethic and her wordsmithing.

I maintain that Sirius treated Kreacher as more of an equal than anyone else did, insofar as he always credited him with being responsible for his own actions. Hermione kept trying to make excuses for Kreacher, whereas Sirius was like, “Nope, he knows exactly what he’s saying and he means it.” Sirius had no time or patience for pureblood supremacists and he wasn’t going to give Kreacher a special pass.

I’ve always hated the idea that Sirius somehow contributed to his own death by not being “nice” to Kreacher. He was trapped in a house - the scene of his family trauma - with a nasty elf who was always making racist remarks. He was dealing with all kinds of mental health stuff and trying to help Harry in the very limited ways he could. He spent twelve years in Azkaban and didn’t have the chance to mature like a regular man in his mid-thirties. So yes, very bad Sirius, not prioritizing being “nice” to the racist elf. 🙄 Even if he’d thought of it, why would he ever think it would work? Hermione was nice to Kreacher and he still went around mumbling that she was a Mudblood.

I worry that his views given he has played such an iconic character have influence young people. I think he is a very good actor but I do not agree with his views on this issue.

I think he’s pretty good in the first two - especially the first one, where his main job is to be amazed by everything happening around him. His deficiencies as an actor only began to stand out in the third movie, IMO. He really didn’t have it in him to pull off the big emotional scenes.