Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

I don’t believe there is one post on this thread telling women they shouldn’t vote or that they should spoil their ballot.

I have not caught up with the thread so perhaps this has been posted already but if not it is helpful. It is from Labour Women’s Declaration and explains about the Spousal Consent Clause Labour intends to remove.
https://labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/the-spousal-consent-clause-in-the-gra-an-important-protection-for-women/

There was quite a detailed discussion about Labour’s planned introduction of self -ID (in practice), on a thread here about six weeks ago too, with quite a lot of useful details pointing out all the pitfalls of their plan.

Thanks @Signalbox and @Wherewerewerewear those articles shout the difference loud and clear.

@Thelnebriati if Labour bothered to seek woman’s views Mumsnet would be a good starting point, but I don’t think they care.

“We believe everyone should be treated with dignity and respect,” she said. “We want to see the process for gender recognition modernised, while protecting single sex spaces for biological women.

They never say how they intend to protect women's single sex spaces once the number of men who have falsified identity documents has massively increased. Having one doctor signing off on this is meaningless. It's self ID in all but name.

''Labour would ­also ­remove the ability of a spouse to object to the change.''

What have things come to when a bunch of random women on Mumsnet have to explain to a political party that what they plan to do is not lawful?

That's me out then. I'm not voting for this.

Oh dear. Self ID in other words. Or ‘by the back door’ if we prefer.

If people were on the fence, I think this might push them off it.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/604c739c-70b7-4819-866f-370ae67da6ab?shareToken=2a1dede2a48c5ec7388167f16bdd6cbb

I’ll still be spoiling my vote. Fact is it’s counted. Someone’s taking notice.

We have to count them. All votes have to be counted
Otherwise
We just make sure there’s bin space.

Watch out though a flaccid penis drawing next to all candidates bar one could mean a vote for the candidate without the artwork.😊

Lots of votes could be seen as 'pointless' for various reasons.

Doesn't really matter. It's our vote to do with as we see fit. Beauty of democracy.

And yet you know what’s them. You’ve taken notice.

Most spoiled votes in the past ( only my own experience when counting in North London and SouthEast ) are people drawing weird images, we ve had religious symbols, far right symbols, people asking for more trees, more coffee shops, the right to walk around nude. You name it people have probably said it. They all get put in a pile, counted and dumped.

No one takes any notice.

If they don’t get a majority it won’t necessarily mean a coalition.
I appreciate it could.

However I wouldn’t vote for any party in the hope they might change their mind. They would have to do that before or during their campaign and absolutely guarantee they will stick to it.
I can’t see Labour doing that. Not that they haven’t changed their minds and policies so much before ( oops we can’t take charitable status away from Ini schools, dear me we ll do something else then to get that lovely popular vote 🤯🤪🤣)

As an aside - Maybe someone should send Starmer a gcse biology book with diagrams and hope he’s capable of simple comprehension.

The spoiled votes are counted. This tells us something. It tells us that a certain number of people are politically engaged enough to come out to vote but disenchanted enough to spoil their ballot. I don’t see this as pointless.

One problem is that if Labour don't get a majority they will have to go into coalition with the Lib Dems and/or greens who are gender woo fruit loops at the moment. I am so hoping Labour commit to single sex spaces in their manifesto and continue to accept the Cass Report. Given the horrors that might come with a coalition that would be enough for them to get my vote tbh. We're in a Red Wall area which is likely to go labour then I can have an MP to work on.

Exactly. Either go and vote or don’t bother. It’s a choice.

Probably not if all those outraged women spoil their vote.
Its less than a hundred years since we got the vote, why throw that away.

Ive counted votes for nearly 20years and the spoiled ones just get counted ( as spoiled ) then thrown in the bin. It’s pointless !

That’s right. It’s tough to know what to do. Labour don’t seem to realise lots of women are taking this seriously. They think they are so ‘bullet proof’ at the moment, that it doesn’t matter. Old fashioned women don’t matter. Only the ones with penises.

I wonder if Labour might get a nasty surprise at the polls.

Quite.

I have read many posters on MN saying they will deface their vote as they
can’t vote for Labour
and won't vote for the Conservatives.

That simply means so many voters, women particularly it seems, will lose their voice and loose their chance to speak up.
No one is interested in a spoiled vote, no one will see your outrage.

My position exactly. Can't vote for the Tories but also can't vote for anyone who can't answer the simplest of questions which has the simplest of answers. What is a woman. An adult human female.

If they can't answer that then I have no confidence in their competence in ANY other issue.

I don't think I can bring myself to vote Tory, so I think I will write 'none of the above are fit to govern' or just draw a massive cock and balls on the ballot paper. This is the first time I have even considered not voting, and its making me very depressed at the state of politics of this country.

No. Because life's not that simple.

I agree.
Im a floating voter and I won’t be voting for any party that erodes woman's rights