Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

958 replies

TeacherAnonymous123 · 30/04/2024 12:54

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
26
H34th · 30/04/2024 14:43

The biggest issue I see right now is crime.
Phones snatched off pedestrians, motorbikes racing on main roads, drug consuming and dealing in public, people going round houses at night to check if the cars been locked/ what could be nicked, groups of youngsters walking into shops and stealing with no one able to say or do anything...

It's become so ridiculous. We pay very high taxes in this country. The least we can get is some police out and about, actually doing their job.

HPFA · 30/04/2024 14:42

No.

I'm voting LibDem as the anti-Tory tactical choice in my constituency.

tobee · 30/04/2024 14:42

And looking "long and hard" at Wales and Scotland don't make me vote Tory. The Tories still manage to come out bottom for me. Amazing isn't it when you look at the SNP!

WallaceinAnderland · 30/04/2024 14:38

Yes.

ringoffiire · 30/04/2024 14:37

RebelliousCow · 30/04/2024 14:29

They blocked Gender Self Id, Scottish GRA reform, and commissioned the Cass Review...for starters.

So, you are happy with the way the Tory government uphold women's rights and represent you as a woman?

Even though:

  • They voted against Stella Creasey’s amendment to make misogyny a hate crime
  • They have not forced the police to prioritise violent crimes such as rape and domestic abuse, despite pledges from the Home Secretary
  • They rejected the Women and Equalities Committee’s recommendation to make menopause a protected characteristic
  • The average wait for a rape case to go to court is three years
  • The extortionate price of early-years education is pushing parents (mostly women) out of the labour market

The Tories will argue that their position on gender self-ID shows they are willing to stand up for women’s rights.

But until they begin to address issues in the workforce and issues of violence against women and girls, there is little to suggest that their sudden commitment to protecting women is anything other than opportunistic.

tobee · 30/04/2024 14:35

According to electoral calculus the Tory candidate here will come 3rd; despite the current MP being Tory and been in since 2005. However, electoral calculus says the LibDem is most likely to win here; even though there has been either a Tory or Labour MP; never a LibDem.

I'm 99.9% likely to vote Labour (was an active member once) but still feel depressed by the current Labour stance being still, at best, slightly iffy on gender issues. I'm really desperate for LibDems to not win. I've never liked them anyway; but they are so egregious on this issue.

But the Tories are appalling and I'll never vote for them. They've barely done anything to stem the tide of this issue considering they want to use it as a wedge issue.

I wish Labour had not gone down this route.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/04/2024 14:35

Is the idea of Penny TWAW Mordaunt being the next Tory leader putting anyone off?

RayonSunrise · 30/04/2024 14:34

No. Over the past few years I've watched Brexit eat the Tories from the inside out (and I am not looking forward to the impact of real customs controls and plants and animals now they've finally started) and Labour slowly and painfully inch away from insane Wokeness. Both parties have suffered enormous blows to their credibility by letting ideologues take over and drive out the sensible middle ground. Labour seems to be tracking back to the centre , though more slowly than I'd like, while the Tories are spinning even further to the right. Women's rights is the one thing I think they've landed on that speaks to me.

I know I will have to keep plugging away at defending women's rights no matter who wins the election. In the meantime it's become clear the Tories are due a bit of time getting rid of their own ideologues - though after the Truss debacle I'm not confident they'll do it very quickly, if at all.

WibblyWobblyWeeble · 30/04/2024 14:33

I'm not sure, I live in Scotland and don't want independence which doesn't make it easier.
I think I may end up spoiling.

WickedSerious · 30/04/2024 14:32

AstonsDataThief · 30/04/2024 14:24

For those who think Labour will be better, look at Wales.

Yep,it's a right shitshow here.

Abeona · 30/04/2024 14:31

Undecided. My MP is good and is GC and starting to speak up (but far too quietly).

I don't want to vote Tory but I will unless Labour comes out clearly as being on the side of women, and Keir Starmer this morning hasn't and doesn't give me confidence. I'm not sure I'm prepared to give a vote of confidence to a party that can't tell basic biological truth. The more people talk about a Labour landslide, the more inclined I am to vote Tory.

RebelliousCow · 30/04/2024 14:29

ringoffiire · 30/04/2024 13:20

This.

I think people forget that we currently have a Tory government.

Are they doing what you want them to do on transgender issues?

Because I don't get the impression that they are.

At least Labour might make some improvements to public services.

They blocked Gender Self Id, Scottish GRA reform, and commissioned the Cass Review...for starters.

BonfireLady · 30/04/2024 14:29

MultiPolarista · 30/04/2024 13:02

Yep.
There is nothing between the parties economically or socially except this issue and as I am in the 51% of people who will have their rights stripped, yes, yes I am def voting Tory on this issue.

Which is novel for a hard core leftist, but hay ho.

There is nothing between the parties economically or socially except this issue

I remember commenting a few years ago that I felt privileged to be in a country where I felt apathetic about politics because it showed me that by and large, it meant that things were going well. I also remember saying that it would take a polarising issue to change my view on this, where I felt it was important to fight hard on something and there was clear space between the options.

Party manifestos are generally pretty pointless. Yes, they state intent and values but they never have to be delivered on and don't even have to be viable. All the parties are clambering fiscally and socially for the centrist space, with the Tories marginally to the right of it, Labour to the Left and the Lib Dems floating around ready to compromise (I'm still annoyed that they backed down on proportional representation when in the coalition).
Despite feeling angry at the top-down Tory behaviour during Covid (my Mum's funeral had a limited number of guests while they partied), I have moved from a position of spoiling my ballot, which I did at the last local council election** in protest about being politically homeless at a national level, to actively voting on this issue. My default position is Lib Dems, because I generally find their values align with mine, even if the backbone was lacking when it was needed and occasional Labour.

** I don't normally vote in local elections as I don't have enough visibility or interest in the differences that each candidate will make, but I always vote in national elections. So this was purely an act of quiet protest.

RebelliousCow · 30/04/2024 14:27

I'll be spoiling my ballot unless there is a local candidate who I can vote for in confidence. Sadly that is not the case with my local Labour MP.

You cannot expect people to vote for a candidate or a party who has a track record of referring to women's groups as 'hate groups'; suggesting they are not wanted in the party; who continue to campaign for the rights of men to access women's spaces; or show disregard for the findings of the Cass Review.

Yes, this is of fundamental importance when considering the integrity of my vote.

SirChenjins · 30/04/2024 14:26

AstonsDataThief · 30/04/2024 14:24

For those who think Labour will be better, look at Wales.

Agree. Wales and Scotland both non-Tory govts and for all of you claiming the Tories are awful then I suggest you look long and hard at the sort of Govts you could have.

Onand · 30/04/2024 14:26

If you’re more than happy for the terminal decline of the country to continue then by all means vote on a single issue. If you’re more pragmatic about the wider context and the implications of us maintaining the status quo then I strongly suggest you reconsider.

TheBlueRoad · 30/04/2024 14:24

This reply has been deleted

This has been deleted by MNHQ for breaking our Talk Guidelines.

AstonsDataThief · 30/04/2024 14:24

For those who think Labour will be better, look at Wales.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/04/2024 14:24

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/04/2024 14:20

The Communist Party is OK on this issue...

As are Reform UK, SDP and Party of Women. The Tories are not ok on this or any other issue. I don't know how anyone believes a word that comes out of their lying faces anymore.

Well none of those options are going to be on my ballot paper so for me it's either spoilt ballot or vote Tory to keep the Lib Dems out.

AstonsDataThief · 30/04/2024 14:22

Yes. If politicians lie about something as fundamental as sex then they will lie about everything.

WickedSerious · 30/04/2024 14:22

There's no one worth voting for.

TooBigForMyBoots · 30/04/2024 14:20

The Communist Party is OK on this issue...

As are Reform UK, SDP and Party of Women. The Tories are not ok on this or any other issue. I don't know how anyone believes a word that comes out of their lying faces anymore.

PiggieWig · 30/04/2024 14:19

No. It’s important to me but it’s not the only issue.
Disability and welfare rights matter and a party which actively punishes people for being sick, victims of DV, etc will not win my vote on trans issues (for want of a better word) alone.

Women are much more likely to be able economically disadvantaged, single parents, victims of DV etc so I see the wider economic issues as women’s issues too - and to an extent more important than shared spaces and sports.

I feel quite politically homeless at the moment so it’s going to be a case of best fit, rather than ideal.

DannyWotty1 · 30/04/2024 14:18

Yep, if the leader of the opposition and potential future Prime Minister cannot correctly identify or define what a woman is, he doesn't deserve my vote.

OnTheSeaShore · 30/04/2024 14:13

Yes in a sense. I'm voting from the perspective of preserving women's and girls' rights and ensuring that there remain single sex spaces. Clinical evidence over ideology has to be the way forward politically.

Swipe left for the next trending thread