Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

"Presumably" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Where he said "There's a small number of people in this country who are born into a gender they don't identify with and they often go through pretty hellish abuse.

There is nothing wrong with this statement. Who you feel about your identity doesn't make you female.

And let us not forget that Labour in Scotland whipped their MSPs to vote for the Gender Recognition Reform Bill

Presumably he still considered that there is a small minority of non-biological women who have a penis?

Why did you stop your quote there? Is it because the next bit undermines your argument?

”He went on:"As you well know the overwhelming majority of women, it's a biological issue...

"There's a small number of people in this country who are born into a gender they don't identify with and they often go through pretty hellish abuse.

"I think most people would say if we can find a way to be respectful to all the women we must properly respect and we have defended their rights and advanced their rights as a party, as a movement for many, many years and we will continue to do so, then fine.”

If you can find him rolling back in the article you yourself quoted, I'm all ears.

@AstonsDataThief

Can you point to where he rolled back.

He did not.

The article referred to something the previous year, which Starmer has since clarified his stance on repeatedly.

Here's what he actually said in the article, and not noted Tory Sun hacks spin on it.

Making an appearance on The Sun's new Never Mind the Ballots politics show, Sir Keir replied: "The whole issue here has to be treated with respect, respect and dignity. And the Labour Partyy_ has fought for women's rights all its life and will continue to do so."

Pressed on his U-turn on gender reform, the Labour leader pointed to what happened in Scotlandd_, before adding: "In the real world outside of politics when circumstances change, people adapt their position."
Asked again about his position on trans women and whether they can be defined as women, Sir Keir said: "We set out our position very clearly..."
He added: "Everybody knows there is a difference between sex and gender. I absolutely understand that and respect that. We will not be going down the road of self identification."

And then in March 2024 he changed his mind again, or perhaps he thought 0.1% of females have a penis when he said adult human female:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/26845883/keir-starmer-transgender-women-define-is/

These headlines are from a year ago, but I suppose there will always be Tory voters desperately searching for a reason to vote for that shower.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/keir-starmer-woman-adult-female-trans-gender-identity-policy-labour-2023-bj6mdx8zf

<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?q=www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwjdpNDT2_OFAxWzS0EAHf9LA7AQFnoECBUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1nvRdSU0RaHBt19Nx3ZZ96" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Keir Starmer says 'a woman is an adult female' on self-identification system

@AstonsDataThief

An adult female with a cervix.

July 2023.

A woman is “an adult female”, Sir Keir Starmer has said, as he confirms the Labour Party's hardened stance on gender. The Labour leader said he did not believe the policy of self-identification was “the right way forward”, and that he believed that “the principle of safe spaces is very important for women”.

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/07/26/keir-starmer-woman-is-adult-female-labour-hardens-stance/#:~:text=A%20woman%20is%20%E2%80%9Can%20adult,is%20very%20important%20for%20women%E2%80%9D.

What Is a ‘woman’? Labour don’t know, do you?

Ah yes, the Tories, that bastion of policy-making supporting women for 14 years.... oh no wait

@Grammarnut
Okay, thanks.

AhNowTed · Today 04:59
@MuddlingMackem

Misogyny in the Labour Party? What do you mean.

Of Labour MPs, 51% are women. More than half.

Tory MPs, 26% are women.

Zonder · Today 07:06
Thanks for that @MuddlingMackem I hope this gets seen by the people suggesting the three female PMs are proving how pro women Tories are.

In response to both of these posters, yes, Labour's misogyny is shocking. So they have a majority of women MPs - but did those women get there on merit, or virtue signalling women-only short lists in safe Labour seats? My local MP is a woman, in a phenomenally safe Labour seat. I don't rate her at all. Plus, the attacks on Rosie Duffield by her own party, and as a later poster pointed out she received so many viable threats she wasn't able to attend her own party's conference. They, as a party, appear to have no respect for women.

The Tories, not a feminist party by any means, but at least they acknowledge what a women is which means that we as a sex class are able to campaign for women. That just wouldn't be possible under Labour's approach to gender-woo.

Sorry, I was eliding. Scottish independence had nothing to do with NI. I was thinking that there was a link between those who voted for Scottish independence in that they were moved by the threat that it meant leaving the EU, and when it came to the EU referendum Scottish independence voter went for Leave because they wanted neither the UK nor the EU (or maybe wanted the UK but not the EU, that's one that cannot easily be computed), whilst those wishing to stay in the Union in 2014 voted Remain because the wanted both the UK and the EU. Sloppy of me!
I almost stand by 'NI did not vote to remain, some voters in NI voted to remain'. It is a neutral statment. Some voters voted Remain, fewer voted Leave, but neither is implied by what I wrote, but I could have been clearer.

I could not vote for anyone who does not know who a woman is. There would be no reason for me to trust them on anything.

That would include a Penny Mordaunt led Tory party.

They have been sucked so far into the gender nonsense rabbit hole that I doubt they will ever find their way out, I don’t know how they are getting away with this to be honest. I hate what Scotland is turning into, but I have the consolation that at least it’s not Wales.

No. There are more important things to think of.

It really doesn't.

That somehow many people were convinced that the proper "leftist" policy is all of the things that leftist parties of yesteryear previously rejected as bad for the working classes - movement of labour, for example - has been an insane coup for global capitalism.

It can only work because the LP and other left parties are now dominated by middle and upper middle class professionals. And being able to move around for work and leisure is good for them.

Sure, though I disagree about the effect Scottish Independence had on the NI vote.

My objection to your previous post was that, unless one had facts and figures to hand, it could easily be understood to mean a majority in NI supported Leave - which of course they did not.

You must admit contradicting a pp to state
NI did not vote to Remain. Some voters in that part of the UK voted to remain...
could cause some confusion!

The fact is a majority of people in NI (and Scotland) wished to stay in the EU and that was the point pp was making.

No, that would be crazy.

It doesn't look like this was any sort of factor in yesterday's votes.

Fair enough. Can their candidates articulate how transwomen can be supported in law without impacting on the rights of others more effectively than Nicola Sturgeon did?

Yes, probably. So it's a choice between LibDem or Green.