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Are you voting in the next general election purely on the transgender issue?

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TeacherAnonymous123 · 30/04/2024 12:54

Just as the title says really! Is that your only thought about who you'll vote for, or will you look at wider policies? Been getting lots of information through my letter box recently, and none mention it.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 10:50

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 05/05/2024 10:43

Exactly.

How is voting for more of the same going to help?!

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Regardless of what else either party may have done, the Tories current stance is "we need less gender woo" and Labour's current stance is "we need more gender woo".

If Labour had been in power in the last decade we would already have self ID.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 10:47

AhNowTed · 05/05/2024 10:02

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

That was in Scotland.

Later that day Starmer explained that the fierce row over gender recognition changes in Scotland had caused him to reflect. He criticised the “cavalier” approach of the Scottish government to introducing a system of self-identification for those who wish to change their legal sex, which was ultimately supported by a majority of MSPs from all five Holyrood parties.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/03/keir-starmer-policy-split-scottish-labour-gender-recognition

But Labour's actual stated policies are still "modernise the GRA" and "introduce a trans inclusive ban on conversion therapy".

Girliefriendlikespuppies · 05/05/2024 10:43

Mariannas · 30/04/2024 13:18

I think we need to bear in mind that this shit show happened under a Tory government

Exactly.

How is voting for more of the same going to help?!

Itsabeautufulday · 05/05/2024 10:24

AstonsDataThief · 03/05/2024 12:00

https://nation.cymru/news/mss-vote-against-recommendations-of-cass-review/

Wow.

Madness.

So they are for testing puberty blockers on children causing irreparable damage.

newnamethanks · 05/05/2024 10:13

14 years of government that's happy to alter, or ignore, legislation when it benefits them. 14 years.

EasternStandard · 05/05/2024 10:09

newnamethanks · 05/05/2024 10:06

Someone please remind me under which government all these non gender-specific policies have been put into practice throughout institutions? Jeremy Corbyn isn't it? Has he been PM of an anti-woman Labour government for the last 14 years?

Do you need a reminder of the GRA 2004?

It would seem so. Labour will defend their Acts which are harmful to women and children, they have stated that already.

newnamethanks · 05/05/2024 10:06

Someone please remind me under which government all these non gender-specific policies have been put into practice throughout institutions? Jeremy Corbyn isn't it? Has he been PM of an anti-woman Labour government for the last 14 years?

Dineasair · 05/05/2024 10:05

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 09:53

Keir Starmer is the head of the party which introduced the concept of a male person being "legally female" and "female" being a "gender" so are we really supposed to trust that he means the same thing we do when he uses the word "female"?

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Dineasair · 05/05/2024 10:03

EasternStandard · 05/05/2024 09:45

Good thing women kept speaking up about what is impacting us

Even with the ‘no one cares’ posters on here

Still safe spaces is meaningless waffle and Starmer hasn’t clarified where will be single sex, so I wouldn’t fall for the Labour spin too much

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AhNowTed · 05/05/2024 10:02

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

That was in Scotland.

Later that day Starmer explained that the fierce row over gender recognition changes in Scotland had caused him to reflect. He criticised the “cavalier” approach of the Scottish government to introducing a system of self-identification for those who wish to change their legal sex, which was ultimately supported by a majority of MSPs from all five Holyrood parties.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/aug/03/keir-starmer-policy-split-scottish-labour-gender-recognition

lifeinthelastlane · 05/05/2024 09:56

AhNowTed · 05/05/2024 09:43

This is getting really fucking tiresome now.

Quoting an old story around which he has repeatedly said he has hardened his position is just low.

For the umpteenth time...

A woman is “an adult female”, Sir Keir Starmer has said, as he confirms the Labour Party's hardened stance on gender. The Labour leader said he did not believe the policy of self-identification was “the right way forward”, and that he believed that “the principle of safe spaces is very important for women”

www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-woman-adult-female-trans-labour-party/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12341781/amp/Keir-Starmer-finally-accepts-woman-adult-female-Labour-leader-confirms-party-U-turn-gender-self-identification-admits-policy-not-right-way-forward.html

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He said 99.9% of women don't have a penis.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 05/05/2024 09:53

AhNowTed · 05/05/2024 09:43

This is getting really fucking tiresome now.

Quoting an old story around which he has repeatedly said he has hardened his position is just low.

For the umpteenth time...

A woman is “an adult female”, Sir Keir Starmer has said, as he confirms the Labour Party's hardened stance on gender. The Labour leader said he did not believe the policy of self-identification was “the right way forward”, and that he believed that “the principle of safe spaces is very important for women”

www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-woman-adult-female-trans-labour-party/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12341781/amp/Keir-Starmer-finally-accepts-woman-adult-female-Labour-leader-confirms-party-U-turn-gender-self-identification-admits-policy-not-right-way-forward.html

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Keir Starmer is the head of the party which introduced the concept of a male person being "legally female" and "female" being a "gender" so are we really supposed to trust that he means the same thing we do when he uses the word "female"?

EasternStandard · 05/05/2024 09:45

AhNowTed · 05/05/2024 09:43

This is getting really fucking tiresome now.

Quoting an old story around which he has repeatedly said he has hardened his position is just low.

For the umpteenth time...

A woman is “an adult female”, Sir Keir Starmer has said, as he confirms the Labour Party's hardened stance on gender. The Labour leader said he did not believe the policy of self-identification was “the right way forward”, and that he believed that “the principle of safe spaces is very important for women”

www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-woman-adult-female-trans-labour-party/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12341781/amp/Keir-Starmer-finally-accepts-woman-adult-female-Labour-leader-confirms-party-U-turn-gender-self-identification-admits-policy-not-right-way-forward.html

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Good thing women kept speaking up about what is impacting us

Even with the ‘no one cares’ posters on here

Still safe spaces is meaningless waffle and Starmer hasn’t clarified where will be single sex, so I wouldn’t fall for the Labour spin too much

AhNowTed · 05/05/2024 09:43

Polishedshoesalways · 05/05/2024 06:30

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/keir-starmer-labour-trans-gender-policy-latest

This is getting really fucking tiresome now.

Quoting an old story around which he has repeatedly said he has hardened his position is just low.

For the umpteenth time...

A woman is “an adult female”, Sir Keir Starmer has said, as he confirms the Labour Party's hardened stance on gender. The Labour leader said he did not believe the policy of self-identification was “the right way forward”, and that he believed that “the principle of safe spaces is very important for women”

www.lbc.co.uk/news/keir-starmer-woman-adult-female-trans-labour-party/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12341781/amp/Keir-Starmer-finally-accepts-woman-adult-female-Labour-leader-confirms-party-U-turn-gender-self-identification-admits-policy-not-right-way-forward.html

MillOnTheGoss · 05/05/2024 09:27

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Zonder · 05/05/2024 08:14

Polishedshoesalways · 05/05/2024 06:29

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/rosie-duffield-labour-piers-morgan-uncensored-canterbury-lbc-b2269321.html

You know this was 16 months ago right?

Eminybob · 05/05/2024 06:33

Kind of. I'm not voting this time. I live in a vvv safe tory seat but have always turned up and voted Labour our if principal (except when I did a vote swap thing once)

So it makes sense to me to jut sit on my hand this time. Or maybe spoil my ballot but I don't know.

Polishedshoesalways · 05/05/2024 06:27

AhNowTed · 04/05/2024 14:30

@Polishedshoesalways

Where has Starmer said any of those things.

This is just scaremongering nonsense.

And yes I can have empathy for folks.

Do not put words in my mouth that this somehow means I would support putting rapists in a female prison.

You are making huge assumptions based on nothing.

What utter BS

Your empathy for rapists dressed as women is some fear misguided. Where is your wmpthy for the actual victims?

Starmer has openly said some women have penises.

Starmer supports trans rights not women’s rights.

He doesn’t even know what we are! Or why we need protection. The safety, identity and rights of 51% of the electorate he simply does not care about, at all. Why?

It covers the rights and safety of 37 million women - and yet he feels the right for men to dress as women -1% of the population trumps all else. And has not moved his position a millimetre in any meaningful way. He does not care about women - we get the message loud and ckear.

And you are going to vote for him, as a women apparently. More fool you. I hope you don’t have daughters.

Dineasair · 04/05/2024 21:19

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/05/2024 18:58

Exactly this. We can't bloody say anything about women's rights without it being twisted round to "trans people's rights" again.

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Every single time, boils my blood.

ScrollingLeaves · 04/05/2024 20:01

AhNowTed · 04/05/2024 12:24

@AstonsDataThief

Can you point to where he rolled back.

He did not.

The article referred to something the previous year, which Starmer has since clarified his stance on repeatedly.

Here's what he actually said in the article, and not noted Tory Sun hacks spin on it.

Making an appearance on The Sun's new Never Mind the Ballots politics show, Sir Keir replied: "The whole issue here has to be treated with respect, respect and dignity. And the Labour Partyy_ has fought for women's rights all its life and will continue to do so."

Pressed on his U-turn on gender reform, the Labour leader pointed to what happened in Scotlandd_, before adding: "In the real world outside of politics when circumstances change, people adapt their position."
Asked again about his position on trans women and whether they can be defined as women, Sir Keir said: "We set out our position very clearly..."
He added: "Everybody knows there is a difference between sex and gender. I absolutely understand that and respect that. We will not be going down the road of self identification."

They are going done the road of easy to get Gender Recognition Certificates and the removal of the spousal clause. I think this has been explained with links on this thread already.

A GRC changes a person’s sex legally. More GRCs will mean a greater percentage of legal women (with penises).

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:14

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2024 19:10

It's not out yet.

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Go to their website and click 'Labour's Missions.' There is a document you can download stating their missions.

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2024 19:10

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:02

I care a lot about lgbt people including transgender people, and labour does not mention them once in their manifesto

It's not out yet.

joannanewsomm · 04/05/2024 19:02

I care a lot about lgbt people including transgender people, and labour does not mention them once in their manifesto

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