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Books about puberty - do any not buy into the gender woo?

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FraterculaArctica · 30/04/2024 08:55

Eldest DC is at the age I want to buy him a "growing up" book. He hasn't asked many questions about puberty/sex/relationships so far so I need to take some initiative here.

Can anyone recommend any books that cover this without buying into the gender woo, but still published more recently than the Dark Ages?

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Xiaoxiong · 02/05/2024 09:40

@SwordToFlamethrower I think @AutumnCrow meant that she used to not see the point of the Lords/wanted Lords reform, but reassessed that view having seen the essential check the Lords are on the excesses of elected MPs.

SwordToFlamethrower · 02/05/2024 09:34

AutumnCrow · 01/05/2024 22:04

Yes he's one of the Lords who rescued the terminology of the Maternity Bill and made me rethink my views on the Upper House.

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What do you mean? He went on TV and said "you categorically cannot change your sex". His book predates gender woo

LargeSquareRock · 01/05/2024 22:06

I know you are looking for your son, but for the benefit of this thread, mums of girls need to watch out for the hating your body narrative, as well as gender woo.

A lot of puberty books for girls have the default position that the reader will already think she is fat and ugly and that it is perfectly normal to think that.

AutumnCrow · 01/05/2024 22:04

SwordToFlamethrower · 01/05/2024 09:31

Lord Robert Winston does a book. it's good. Called Help your kids with growing up. No gender woo

Yes he's one of the Lords who rescued the terminology of the Maternity Bill and made me rethink my views on the Upper House.

fashionqueen1183 · 01/05/2024 22:00

I got one called the girls guide to growing up. It’s aimed at girls but no reasons why a boy couldn’t read it for information. And being a good partner when he’s older :)

WellExactly2 · 01/05/2024 21:36

Thanks @PoochiesPinkEars bought that one too!

PoochiesPinkEars · 01/05/2024 13:45

ThreeEggOmlette · 01/05/2024 10:59

Not very factual at all, but 'Mummy Laid an Egg' is a light, silly picture book about how babies are made that my 2 enjoyed. The kids sept the parents straight at the end!
It prompted some questions which might lead nicely to the factual books x
Also 'Look Inside your Body' by Usbourne is a fab general body book with lift the flaps. We read that one to death.

Agree
THE best book for where babies come from is Mummy Laid An Egg by Babette Cole

www.booktrust.org.uk/book/m/mummy-laid-an-egg/

It is perfect for age five, it's all funny and realistic and as honest as you need.

Codlingmoths · 01/05/2024 11:04

Peonies12 · 30/04/2024 18:57

Why not have a conversation instead. He will work out the “facts” soon enough for himself, not your hateful mindset.

I appreciate the focus on accuracy to put “facts” in quotation marks to convey that these are not actually facts at all, in fact they are completely false concepts a number of people think it’s a good idea to mislead children with.

ThreeEggOmlette · 01/05/2024 10:59

WellExactly2 · 30/04/2024 14:49

I was about to start a similar thread asking for recommendations for books suitable for a 5 year old about the body and also how babies are made - any suggestions? Sorry to hijack

Not very factual at all, but 'Mummy Laid an Egg' is a light, silly picture book about how babies are made that my 2 enjoyed. The kids sept the parents straight at the end!
It prompted some questions which might lead nicely to the factual books x
Also 'Look Inside your Body' by Usbourne is a fab general body book with lift the flaps. We read that one to death.

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 01/05/2024 10:52

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 01/05/2024 09:00

Milli Hill is incredibly anti gender woo to great personal cost. She has been slandered and cancelled by those in her profession (birthing - she was the founder of the positive birth movement and also wrote give birth like a feminist which is fab). My period is a great book which my dd found really helpful.

Thank you, I remember her now..I will get the book.

SwordToFlamethrower · 01/05/2024 09:31

Lord Robert Winston does a book. it's good. Called Help your kids with growing up. No gender woo

WellExactly2 · 01/05/2024 09:21

@2mummies1baby thanks so much!

BlackLambAndGreyFalcon · 01/05/2024 09:00

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 30/04/2024 23:23

I can't remember, was Milli Hill anti gender woo? The book looks great and would like to buy it for DD.

I hate that we need to check that books meant to be teaching girls about their bodies aren't teaching them that some girls can have penises.

Milli Hill is incredibly anti gender woo to great personal cost. She has been slandered and cancelled by those in her profession (birthing - she was the founder of the positive birth movement and also wrote give birth like a feminist which is fab). My period is a great book which my dd found really helpful.

notsofantastic · 01/05/2024 08:46

Secondhand ones from around 2010 on eBay.

2mummies1baby · 01/05/2024 08:40

2mummies1baby · 01/05/2024 08:33

I literally just found a book like this in a charity shop yesterday! It's American, annoyingly, so some of the spellings are a bit dodge, but I doubt your 5 year old will care!

It's called 'It's NOT the Stork!' and it's aimed at age 4+. Haven't fully read it, but I've flicked through and it looks great.

@WellExactly2 I've just googled it and it seems to have been published in the UK under the name "Let's Talk"- it has the same cover.

https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/harris-robie-h/let-s-talk-about-girls-boys-babies-bodie/9780744540857?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIs4m6ufjrhQMVkIZQBh1b9w2UEAQYBSABEgLocvD_BwE#GOR001975254

Let's Talk:About Girls,Boys,Babies,Bodie By Harris Robie H | Used | 9780744540857 | World of Books

Buy Let's Talk:About Girls,Boys,Babies,Bodie By Harris Robie H. Available in used condition with free delivery in the UK. ISBN: 9780744540857. ISBN-10: 0744540852

https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/harris-robie-h/let-s-talk-about-girls-boys-babies-bodie/9780744540857?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIs4m6ufjrhQMVkIZQBh1b9w2UEAQYBSABEgLocvD_BwE#GOR001975254

2mummies1baby · 01/05/2024 08:33

WellExactly2 · 30/04/2024 14:49

I was about to start a similar thread asking for recommendations for books suitable for a 5 year old about the body and also how babies are made - any suggestions? Sorry to hijack

I literally just found a book like this in a charity shop yesterday! It's American, annoyingly, so some of the spellings are a bit dodge, but I doubt your 5 year old will care!

It's called 'It's NOT the Stork!' and it's aimed at age 4+. Haven't fully read it, but I've flicked through and it looks great.

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 30/04/2024 23:23

AlertViper · 30/04/2024 22:07

I can't remember, was Milli Hill anti gender woo? The book looks great and would like to buy it for DD.

I hate that we need to check that books meant to be teaching girls about their bodies aren't teaching them that some girls can have penises.

HandsomeCleverandRich · 30/04/2024 22:24

We had some great Robert Winston ones, very clear and covered physical and emotional changes. I think they were published by DK I’ll see if I can dig them out. Also the Usborne books as above.

AutumnCrow · 30/04/2024 21:17

Well yes indeed, it's not 'hateful' to know that sex is immutable and it matters. Indeed it's rather poor form on MN for a poster to suggest that a legally protected belief in the importance of a piece of biological fact and common sense is in any way 'hateful'.

Xiaoxiong · 30/04/2024 21:09

Peonies12 · 30/04/2024 18:57

Why not have a conversation instead. He will work out the “facts” soon enough for himself, not your hateful mindset.

I respect your right to profess your faith, which I don't think is hateful, I just don't happen to share your beliefs. Those of us who believe that sex is real generally want to make sure our kids are taught biological facts, and not the "facts" that genderism believes.

AutumnCrow · 30/04/2024 20:56

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/04/2024 19:13

What "hateful mindset" would that be then?

I'm still trying to parse that one, let alone make sense of it.

(not you, the pp)

YesYesAllGood · 30/04/2024 20:45

WellExactly2 · 30/04/2024 14:49

I was about to start a similar thread asking for recommendations for books suitable for a 5 year old about the body and also how babies are made - any suggestions? Sorry to hijack

@WellExactly2 I got How Did I Begin for DS around that age and it's really good.

How Did I Begin? amzn.eu/d/c09ybU5

CaptainCarrotsBigSword · 30/04/2024 19:22

Xiaoxiong · 30/04/2024 17:07

From my MIL I pinched the Usborne books from the 90s that DH had when he was a kid - "Growing up" and "Facts of life". They are biologically factual and straightforward and inclusive of gay, lesbian and bisexual relationships too. A nice side effect is the illustrations with plenty of women with short hair, men with long hair and earrings. The cover is a woman with short hair, jeans and a baggy vest over a button down shirt, lots of GNC characters inside the book as well which I appreciate.

I bought "Growing Up" from eBay for this exact reason!

I had it as a kid and remembered it as being pretty good. Obviously being from the 90s there is no gender woo. Some of the info on sanitary products is a bit of of date - nothing on mooncups or period pants - but I have already chatted with DD about this a few times and she sees me deal with period pants and cups so not an issue for us.

I completely LOVE the style of the illustrations and as the 90s are back in fashion she thinks it looks retro cool rather than old fashioned.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/04/2024 19:13

Peonies12 · 30/04/2024 18:57

Why not have a conversation instead. He will work out the “facts” soon enough for himself, not your hateful mindset.

What "hateful mindset" would that be then?

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