If transwomen are women, and women are cis women, are transwomen cis women?

Well no, they are transwomen.

Who are men.

What is the difference between a man who says he is a woman and a 'trans woman' and a man?

Bullet points would be good.

Well no, they are transwomen.

Just call them men.

If you want to be kind, maybe 'men who say they are women'.

It is banned because TIM is a male name and it sends them wild with [male] rage.

Yes indeedy. Men know they are men. That's the point.

No need to 'seperate' them from 'other' women. For they are men.

I think you will find the majority of people, including many trans people, are fully aware they are not biological women hence the definition of using CIS to separate the two.

Thanks for that, I didn't know it was a banned term, I wasn't trying to cause offence & it is what they are & so it is truthful, on the other hand I find the terms cis or trans woman very offensive & disrespectful to women but it seems to be ok on here and is used widely. I will say no more on the matter lest I offend someone #letwomenspeak

No. These words have been invented as devices to support the fiction that males can become women.

But you know that.

https://www.mumsnet.com/i/trans-rights-moderation-policy

It definitely is one of the terms banned on here.

Something like 85% of these men don't have bits chopped off.

Even if they did, they are still men. Just men without penises. Hence 'The Eunach Chapter' from WPATH.

I wouldn't mind betting that they've been a good deal shaken up by the findings in the Cass Report.

It's already predictable that there'll be a slew of litigation against GIDS. The erosion of women's privacy and dignity, the fact that there's already been one rape case we know of when the victim was gaslight and told there were no men on her ward, the risk of further harm to women when basic safeguarding would likely have prevented it.

This sudden switch in language and attitudes indicates an institution that is worried.

Good. Pity it took so long.

Oh good. I did get told off by another poster 😂 so I wanted to be sure 👍🏼

That question made me think of my first year at university, studying Philosophy. I wonder how the students on that course would cope with that sort of question now.

I think we ultimately do perceive sex but day to day the cultural cues act like a shortcut. So the first few times you see a man performing whatever your culture codes as female you tend to read them as female at first but over time you pick up on the underlying male.

That's on the individual level. At the societal level, if lots of men start performing female coded presntation we get used to seeing those cues on men so they no longer read as strongly female coded. So someone who might have generally been read as female or as "confusing" by the audience the time might be more clearly read as male by an audience now.

Good to see TIM here, I've never known if it was one of the words MNHQ frown on.

if he's had the ops to cut his bits off then he is a different kind of man isn't he, still a man though. I do know that most of them aren't having the ops, they're just larping.

He isn't a different type of man.

He is just a man.

Just watched Miriam last night about the Mexican TIM reality show

beyond me how the men did nor notice

I've stopped using that term altogether they are trans identifying men or TIMs to me and I've never used cis, it's just woman or women.
Stop using the terms they are compelling everyone to adopt. A man can't ever become woman, he will be a different kind of man, but will remain man his whole life.

Transwomen describes men that either really wish they were women, find it a convenient way to access and abuse women, avoid getting put in a male prison or get off on playing dress up.

Cis women are women who believe that everyone has a special feeling in their head that determines if you are a man or woman and that is more important than biology.

Those 2 terms describe a small percentage of the population as the vast majority of women don't have special womanly feels, they just are women and are therefore should just be called women with no prefix required

Am I imagining it or is critical posting more frequent since Cass report publication. Seems increased confidence criticising the TWAW cult since NHS and others dropped virtue signalling 'Diversity Champions' scheme. At last!! Hope Stonewall goes down with the Tavistock & Mermaids now.

Or 'men' and 'women'.

That's all we need.

But trans are a minority, and minority means small, and quantum mechanics is SCIENCE so trans must be science.

<spinny skirt mic drop>