If transwomen are women, and women are cis women, are transwomen cis women?

bigender - for when your big gender feelings are too big for just one gender

Could we borrow one of Elon's?

Me too, I'll chip in for the rocket!

Type B for me!

ETA I just remembered reading some version of this nonsense being "bigender". Which I can only read as Big Ender. Fatarse gender? That'd probably do for me.

“… cisgender … a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds to his or her sex at birth … .”

Hmm so my identity as a runner, office worker, environmentalist - how do they correspond to my sex?

I don't think I have a gender - although part of my identity is "mother" so I guess that's a bit 'gendery'? Do all "mother" identities count towards gender, or only the super "mumsy" ones (a la Mrs Weasley)? I guess the one major thing mums have in common is that they birthed a child... but isn't that related to biology?

So many questions! It's almost as though the whole concept of gender is wishy-washy claptrap 🤔

As far as I can see, these are the main subtypes of Agender People

Agender Type A : "I couldn't care less about gender / what the hell is gender"

Agender Type B : "Gender is a bag of sexist homophobic shite and should be launched into the sun via an internationally-funded space project"

Agender Type C : "Gender's amazing and mine is super special, bet you can't guess what it is... oh ok I'll tell you anyway, it's AGENDER"

I think the vast majority of people are Type A, gender isn't even something they care about.
People in FWR seem mainly to be type B, quite hostile to Gender because yanno, bag of sexist homophobic shite
Then you have the super special gender people in type C, they're (zhey're etc) doing them (zhem etc)

You're trying to understand a deliberate piece of psychological manipulation. It doesn't make sense because it is intended to go like:
1 men dress like cartoon hookers and call themselves trans women
2 trans women say they are actually women
3 women object to stereotypes
4 transwomen dress like real women, in jeans and t-shirts
5 tadaa! women includes anyone who says they are a woman
6 all women's protections from men are wiped out.

Women are just too nice. Men think it's hilarious that women are so gullible.

This is the nub of the whole trans thing.
The meanings of words, and their semantic overtones, are not defined by the editors of dictionaries. It is through community consensus that meanings are agreed. All dictionaries do is record them, accurately or inaccurately.

Of course. Maybe we should just all identify as agender, which I think is the closest there is to a rejection of it.

Only bad for the sacred caste, not those untouchable cissies.

Christinapple seems very eager, on multiple threads, to impose a gender identity on women who have said repeatedly that they don’t have one and don’t want one, because we all recognise that gender as a concept is all about sexist and misogynistic stereotypes.

I thought assuming someone’s gender, or worse still telling them their gender was a Bad Thing?

@Christinapple
“The difference between "cisgender" and "transgender" lies in whether a person's gender matches the sex they were assigned at birth.”

“… cisgender … a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds to his or her sex at birth … .”

How do I know whether or not my sense of personal identity matches my sex?

Thses words are also in my dictionary:

Slut
Prude
Hag
Master
Slave
Lord
Servant
Subject
Subordinate
Daemon
Dragon
Unicorn
Teleportation

I know what all these words mean. That does not mean the concepts they express are universal, "true" or objectively meaningful, or that because these concepts exist and are understood it's ok to build them into society.

@FlirtsWithRhinos exactly. It’s always about reducing women’s rights and freedoms - that’s the endgame (and why so many governments are on board with it). Put us back in our boxes, oh and if pesky things like equal opportunity come up, hire men in dresses. They’re women after all, because they say so.

It's another one of those quite clever linguistic tricks that has been used to move thinking in the way they want it moved (eg, first 'transwoman', then 'trans woman', because after all trans women is just another kind of women with a descriptor.)

Trans women are women, cis women are women. Just two different kinds of women.

I think the next move was to have Women and Cis Women so we'd be a subset of our own selves but things have stalled a bit 😉

It implies we choose to be women, and thus eliminates the need for sex-based rights and protections

👏👏👏

Or more subtly, because plenty of TRAs would chorus "you don't choose your gender, why would trans people chose to be a target of ridicule /hatred /pity /misunderstanding?" it implies if you do not believe and publicly state that certain personalities belong in certain bodies so in your case your body mismatches your personality, your personality must align with the gender stereotypes of your sex"

I’m not even mid-thirties yet but I never heard it used when referring to women until relatively recently. My mum and grandmother were never called it, they were just described as women.

It is a power term used by the trans community and their allies to demean authentic women. (I’m taking that word back..)
As I said earlier in the thread, the Trans community and their supporters want the word ‘woman’ for themselves and to achieve that aim, they have to ensure authentic women have a prefix.

Of course it’s not designated as a slur. Rule of misogyny: men are what they say they are and women are what men say they are.

Of course it’s a slur. It makes women a subset of our sex. It says men are a type of woman if they want to be. It implies we choose to be women, and thus eliminates the need for sex-based rights and protections.

And your point is?

The dictionary you use has an entry for cisgender. Same as every other dictionary I've seen that defines it, it is also not defined as a slur.

"Designating a person whose sense of personal identity and gender corresponds to his or her sex at birth; of or relating to such persons. Contrasted with transgender."

https://www.oed.com/dictionary/cisgender_adj?tab=meaning_and_use#1171044060

Well not the dictionary I use.

www.oed.com/dictionary/woman_n?tl=true

Yes, as Bez said. Garbage in and garbage out. It just shows the pitfalls of AI.

All it's doing here is answering the Q given by OP using the definitions of the terms as defined by dictionaries.

Putting the Artificial in Artificial Intelligence.