If transwomen are women, and women are cis women, are transwomen cis women?

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As long as it's not sport being invaded by male fetishists.

The root of all this is misogyny with a side of homophobia. It's why it's become a political force beloved by governments and industry.

Perhaps it would be cruel not to help these people escape their distress

Im sure taking up woman’s sport would be a great benefit:

rest of the trans community

I think you misspelled "middle-aged straight misogynist men with a sissy kink", easily done

Yes that's true, and the rest of the trans community call them "truscum" for it, or malign them as "transmedicalists"

Superlambaanana

That opened my eyes to the idea that some trans people do genuinely feel distressed about their own body. Rather than just coveting someone else's. They actually just want to be something, maybe anything, other than what they actually are. Perhaps it would be cruel not to help these people escape their distress. But I find it hard not to believe that they would be better off with help to come to terms with themselves as they are.

Some Trans people are really quite angry that body dysmorphia has been removed as a requirement for being trans as they say that it undermines who they are as Trans people.

As I am sure you realise, the = you refer to doesn’t necessarily mean “equals”. It can mean “is a subset of” or “is an example of”. We need to be careful about our use of language, because it is often imprecise and we make assumptions based on our prejudices and on context. This, of course, is why the deliberate obfuscation of terms such as “woman”, “man”, “male”, “female” is a problem.

It’s very difficult to explain to a gender zealot what the problem is with their blurring of the meanings of words, because as soon as you try to stand up for the plain old definition you are accused of transphobia, or (even worse!) conservatism. And yet it is the gender ideologues who often seem wedded to gender stereotypes, and take a thoroughly regressive stance.

Edited to correct a typo.

Facts ^^

Trans women are frightened that if they're outed they won't be taken seriously. Trans men are frightened that if they're outed they'll be raped so violently it takes several surgical procedures to repair the damage.

Irony there being that if anyone genuinely believed TWAW, they would never have been pandered to by other misogynists taken seriously and the movement would never have gained any power.

@Superlambaanana that thread reminded me of the quip that men are frightened that women will laugh at them and women are frightened that men will kill them.
Trans women are frightened that if they're outed they won't be taken seriously. Trans men are frightened that if they're outed they'll be raped so violently it takes several surgical procedures to repair the damage.
It's such a politically insidious misogyny to try to redraw the words "men" and "women."

Shh! They don't like logic. Or women. Especially biological ones with opinions.

There are some men who resent being told ‘No’. It upsets them greatly. That is their problem and they should learn how to reframe their trauma.

I can believe women being distressed at being female, given our biology and the misogyny of all societies. It's a delusion to think we can escape it, though, and the surgeries are appalling (necrotic tissue is often enough the outcome with the fake, functionless "penis" iirc). Not to mention the effects of exogenous testosterone on the female body.

I have extreme doubts that many of the men have any sort of distress. There are far more fetishists there, extreme misogynists. They're the ones driving the movement and its so far highly successful attack on women's and LGB rights.

If transwomen are women, and women are cis women, are transwomen cis women?

Short answer is no

Long answer is apply this to the situation

If snow is water, and water is rain, is snow rain? Also no.
This is the classic example of a geometric proof showing that you can have two very different specific things that both fall under one general term. It is meant to teach students that just because A=B and B=C it is not always a given that A=C

Try this one too

If a cat is a pet, and a pet is a dog, is a cat a dog?

Hope this gets that 💡 lit for you.

And of course greatly assisting understanding is exactly what they don't want. How often does one see "transwoman" used by people thinking it means a woman who wants to be a man? The confusion is a feature, not a bug.

Same here tbh! To fit in genderism it would probably need to be "someone who doesn't have a cat or ever encounter one, but identifies as getting a closeup view of said fluffy bum."

If I see ‘sex assigned at birth’ much more I swear I’ll implode.

Me too. Makes you wonder why they bother to tell you the baby’s sex during a scan.

Oh that’s just given me a headache

If I see ‘sex assigned at birth’ much more I swear I’ll implode. Or explode. Can’t decide
I have seen ‘identifies as a transwoman’ used. Quite like that but not as much as
t - i - m

or
t - i- w
At least it’s clearer; so many people just don’t know what is meant when these phrases appear. It would greatly assist understanding

If transwomen are women, and women are cis women, are transwomen cis women?

Of course they are, if they say they are, OP. You’re forgetting the basic rules of patriarchy:

A man is whatever he says he is.
A woman is whatever a man says she is.

But @EmpressaurusOfCats I just can’t be arsed.
It is bad enough not remembering all my fucking pin codes and passwords. I do NOT want to have to remember what made up gender I may be granted to identify as at any given day.

Imma stomp my feet!! 😁 I just don’t want to identify as anything, thanks a bunch!
I yam wat I yam

I don't identify as getting them, I just do.

Oh wait - big ender: when you identify as someone who regularly gets close-up views of your cat's pudgy bum.

Or shorthand for "even more confused about the concept of having a personality than the rest of these sexist numbskulls"?