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Are women safer if they encounter a bear or a man in the woods?

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IcakethereforeIam · 29/04/2024 15:20

This is an interesting thought experiment

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/relationships/article-13360727/man-bear-viral-question-domestic-violence-australia-dating.html

The DM nick enough off MN, so no apology for returning the favour.

Definitely team bear here.

There are links to articles regarding DV in Australia.

This simple yet heavy 'viral' question is leading to breakups

A hypothetical question that asks whether women are safer if they encounter a bear or an unknown man in the forest has sparked a heated debate about male violence.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/relationships/article-13360727/man-bear-viral-question-domestic-violence-australia-dating.html

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asbigasablueberry · 03/05/2024 06:46

Seems like there are many crackpot men, but this site is full of their female counterparts.

AstonsStolenData · 03/05/2024 04:50

In many tourist areas, you're better off meeting a bear. E.g. Yosemite

Visitors who encounter a bear should keep their distance for safety and respect for themselves and the animal. . . . Attacks are rare, and no one has been killed or seriously injured by a black bear in Yosemite. [Ever.]

https://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/nature/bears.htm

On the other hand, these are just a few of the assaults by men in the last few years:

A professional rock climber has been convicted of several sexual assaults at Yosemite National Park, prosecutors say.
https://www.cbsnews.com/sacramento/news/yosemite-rock-climber-faces-life-in-prison-after-conviction-on-sexual-assaults/

Park facilities employee sentenced to 12 years for attempted aggravated sexual abuse, abusive sexual contact, assault with intent to commit aggravated sexual abuse, assault with intent to commit abusive sexual contact, and assault by striking or wounding

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edca/pr/defendant-yosemite-national-park-sexual-assault-case-sentenced-more-12-years-prison

[A Yosemite Valley motel employee] confessed to the murder of Joie Armstrong. Over the next six hours, he also confessed to murdering the Sunds and Pelosso. He admitted to having had violent fantasies about killing women for the past 30 years and recounted every detail.

https://www.myyosemitepark.com/park/history/yosemite-serial-killer/

Speeding Kills Bears sign

Bears - Yosemite National Park (U.S. National Park Service)

https://www.nps.gov/yose/learn/nature/bears.htm

Justcoincidences · 03/05/2024 04:22

Man.

carerlookingtochangejob · 03/05/2024 03:48

@INeedToClingToSomething you need to watch it again

carerlookingtochangejob · 03/05/2024 03:47

If I come across a close encounter with a bear I am very likely to get my face ripped off. Has anyone actually SEEN the results of a bear encounter. It's not fucking pretty and once they go for you they WILL not leave it until you are literally in pieces.
That's the point you're not! The overwhelming majority of bear encounters of all types result in the bear leaving. Not attacking!!!

INeedToClingToSomething · 03/05/2024 03:27

carerlookingtochangejob · 03/05/2024 02:49

His stats are ridiculous though. He's basically saying because you are unlikely to come across a bear, then the answer has to be bear. In which case the question makes zero sense.

INeedToClingToSomething · 03/05/2024 03:22

I find this debate a bit ludicrous tbh. But if I had to say I would definitely say man if we are assuming these are very small woods and I would definitely come across said man or bear. Statistically, the man is not likely to be a rapist, murderer or predator. There isn't a single man that I know (personally or professionally) that I wouldn't be happy to be trapped in a small room with let alone a wood tbh but most rapes and violence against women and girls are done by people they know anyhow. and not strangers in woods.

If I come across a close encounter with a bear I am very likely to get my face ripped off. Has anyone actually SEEN the results of a bear encounter. It's not fucking pretty and once they go for you they WILL not leave it until you are literally in pieces.

If it came to it I have much more chance of fending off a man than a bear.

If the man in question was definitely a rapist/murderer/predator then it would be a much harder choice. He's more likely to hunt me out, whereas I might be able to hide from a bear. But if it came to hand to hand combat then I'd have way more chance of beating a man than a bear even if the odds are definitely not in my favour.

carerlookingtochangejob · 03/05/2024 02:55

Shortly followed by

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I think I might love this guy!

carerlookingtochangejob · 03/05/2024 02:49

Wow! Watch this

www.instagram.com/reel/C6cFD06px1E/?igsh=OG1pMXF1cWg3MHJq

grinandslothit · 03/05/2024 01:50

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 12:47

So what do you suggest then in reality, those who don't feel safe around men?
Segregating men and women like some countries do?

Maybe a curfew for men or ankle monitors.

grinandslothit · 03/05/2024 01:43

Icemachine · 30/04/2024 13:18

Absolute nonsense, of course most men don't know a rapist.

Of course they do. Most rapes and assaults aren't even reported. Men who rape and assault women don't exactly advertise it.

AGlinnerOfHope · 01/05/2024 14:38

ZeldaFighter · 01/05/2024 10:01

I thought it wasn't a real question? As in its simply a way to highlight the problem of male violence against women and girls? In a way that men can grasp simply?

The answer is take a gun and don't care.

But we aren’t allowed to shoot the man. Even if he rapes us or tries to rape us.

coldcallerbaiter · 01/05/2024 13:49

I would be a bit more scared of the bear.

If I had to choose, I would be in the woods with the man.

Yes, the man could be a rapist, and the bear isn’t in to that, good point. If he was a rapist he might not kill though. With the bear it will either run away or hurt you really badly or kill.

The probability of the man having bad intentions is low. You have just said a man, so statistically, how likely are they to be violent? Whilst a man is stronger than me generally, I know how to tackle one, and would kick and bite the right place. I do not know much about bears but I cannot negotiate with it, I cannot outwit it verbally and a bear can outrun me and climb trees and are powerful, I think.

Question, what about a baby left with man or bear? What now?

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:40

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 13:35

In this thread though, people are saying they're vulnerable in the woods and being out by themselves.
Is segregation OK then? Just general being out by yourself?
As that's the logical conclusion.

I think that’s more of a call for men to behave better, not that they will. In Australia a woman was just killed by a man in the woods, what’s your solution? Bury your head in the sand and pretend these things don’t happen? Don’t let women talk about them? Do you acknowledge that women are vulnerable in some situations with men?

HeraSyndulla · 01/05/2024 13:38

Depends if the bear has cubs !.

tabulahrasa · 01/05/2024 13:35

ZeldaFighter · 01/05/2024 10:01

I thought it wasn't a real question? As in its simply a way to highlight the problem of male violence against women and girls? In a way that men can grasp simply?

The answer is take a gun and don't care.

I don’t think it was even that serious tbh, I’m pretty sure it started as a stupid - stop people in the streets and ask a random question thing.

But then a load of real angry men made it go viral.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 13:35

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:33

Yes, in some cases segregation, in areas where women are vulnerable, we need safe guarding because women’s safety matters more than mens feelings. We could also ban abusive porn and, here’s a really radical one, men could behave better.

In this thread though, people are saying they're vulnerable in the woods and being out by themselves.
Is segregation OK then? Just general being out by yourself?
As that's the logical conclusion.

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:34

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 13:32

Oh and hate to point this out to you but bears aren't people

Maybe not, but they’re more civilised than some men.

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:33

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 13:31

Good answer well responded!
😂🙄
What's your solution then? Is it segregation or something else?

Yes, in some cases segregation, in areas where women are vulnerable, we need safe guarding because women’s safety matters more than mens feelings. We could also ban abusive porn and, here’s a really radical one, men could behave better.

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 13:32

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:27

Stop being so offensive towards bears then 🙄

Oh and hate to point this out to you but bears aren't people

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 13:31

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:27

Stop being so offensive towards bears then 🙄

Good answer well responded!
😂🙄
What's your solution then? Is it segregation or something else?

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 13:29

Hoppinggreen · 01/05/2024 13:22

Are you saying that womens perfectly justified fears shouldnt be tolerated?

No, of course not, people can't help being fearful . Just shouldn't base society round your own fears/prejudice which is what segregation is.

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:27

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 12:52

It wouldn't be tolerated in other situations where someone was scared of a class of people, it shouldn't be in this case either.

Stop being so offensive towards bears then 🙄

Hoppinggreen · 01/05/2024 13:22

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 12:52

It wouldn't be tolerated in other situations where someone was scared of a class of people, it shouldn't be in this case either.

Are you saying that womens perfectly justified fears shouldnt be tolerated?

fedupandstuck · 01/05/2024 13:06

GoodAfternoonGoodEveningAndGoodnight · 01/05/2024 12:52

It wouldn't be tolerated in other situations where someone was scared of a class of people, it shouldn't be in this case either.

What shouldn't be tolerated?? Women expressing their justified and explainable wariness of men? How do you intend to shut women up?