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'Chestfeeding' to be banned in NHS crackdown

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RoyalCorgi · 27/04/2024 20:35

Victoria Atkins is going to demand that NHS trusts stop using terms like chestfeeding, according to the Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/27/nhs-to-limit-trans-ideology-with-new-constitution/

‘Chestfeeding’ to be banned in NHS crackdown

The health service is to limit trans ideology with new constitution

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/27/nhs-to-limit-trans-ideology-with-new-constitution

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illinivich · 27/04/2024 21:56

Otterly2 · 27/04/2024 21:10

Sajid Javid said this in 2022. Steve Barclay said this in 2023. And now Victoria Atkins. The NHS is not listening to any of them and it needs to be enforced somehow.

Ministers are very good at writing strongly worded letters, and public funded organisations are very good at putting them in the bin, knowing ministers will be blamed if anything goes wrong.

misscockerspaniel · 27/04/2024 21:55

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

Oh, be kind.

Xenia · 27/04/2024 21:54

Good. I hope if Labour win power at the next election they also continue this preservation of the rights of women. Chestfeeding terms have no place in the NHS.

Datun · 27/04/2024 21:52

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

lol. Ensuring the NHS stop using made up words like chest feeding and body feeding isn't compelled speech 😄

Although I do realise that all those creepy lactation fetishists will be a tad put out.

Sooooootired01 · 27/04/2024 21:50

Being thick here...why can't you say breastfeeding?

OzziePopPop · 27/04/2024 21:49

Thank fuck for that! Now it’s just got to actually happen…

FrancescaContini · 27/04/2024 21:47

bakewellbride · 27/04/2024 20:45

Good, let's end the madness. Chestfeeding, uterus / vagina / cervix havers, menstruators.... the whole lot of it can just fuck off! I hate it!

Well said

mitogoshi · 27/04/2024 21:45

My drs used the term natal women when it came to smear tests, they further clarified that everyone with xx chromosomes who considers themselves transgender should arrange an appointment to talk to the nurse to confirm whether they still need testing.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2024 21:45

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

Using words for their intended meaning is not compelled speech. It's using a fucking dictionary.

Compelled speech is authoritarian pomo bollocks rewriting the bloody dictionary so noone understands the meaning.

The whole point is plain simple English that as many people can understand without having to have a degree in word salad 'diversity training' because that's about as elitist as it gets.

Compelled speech is making people say words contrary to reality or their long established meaning and understanding by consensus not directive from a dictatrory individual or institution.

HTH.

WagnersFourthSymphony · 27/04/2024 21:41

I recommend The Word is Woman where Milli Hill documents the crazy erasure of the word 'woman'. La Leche League is one of those so desperate to be inclusive that it seems to overlook who does the vast majority of breastfeeding.

Common Misconception
Myth: "Exclusive bodyfeeding is what every family should do"

Fact: Families should be supported to feed human milk in the capacity they desire, are able to attain, sustain and enjoy.

Reach out to a Leader, we will always reach you where you are.
https://millihill.substack.com/p/the-word-is-woman-34

Forester1 · 27/04/2024 21:38

Otterly2 · 27/04/2024 21:10

Sajid Javid said this in 2022. Steve Barclay said this in 2023. And now Victoria Atkins. The NHS is not listening to any of them and it needs to be enforced somehow.

I think something that has changed is it’s now in mainstream news. I would consider myself as someone who follows current affairs quite closely but I was oblivious to all this until about 18 months ago.

JellySaurus · 27/04/2024 21:36

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

The compelled speech is people being compelled to pretend that women, their breasts, and their uniquely female ability to breastfeed, do not exist.

If a transman mother wants natal care and breastfeeding support that does not mention terminology they reject or feel upset by, they are not compelled to accept accurate terminology. That support, written or spoken, can be provided using woman-erasing language if that person needs it. But it must not be the default. Woman-eating language harms women.

Rainbowshit · 27/04/2024 21:34

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

Lives were being put in danger by using nonsense terms like "person with a cervix". This is just restoring sense.

WeightoftheWorld · 27/04/2024 21:33

Betterifido · 27/04/2024 21:26

I was gonna start my own thread on this but will jump on here, I am GC but often more ‘live and let live’ type. However, I follow a lady called Kris Hallenga who set up a charity called CoppaFeel, and I have noticed their new branding is all about check your chest, rather than check your boobs. I am SO pissed about this as I think it’s genuinely confusing for people. My chest is around where my lungs are, or when you get a chesty cough. A different body part to boobs. I feel that this confusing messaging is actually putting women’s lives I danger and diluting the message of a very good charity. They are BOOBS, BREASTS, BOOBIES. Not chest. That’s a different body part. Rant over.

Agree with this and wanted to opt out and tell them why, but then I do genuinely use the reminders so have held my nose and haven't.

Betterifido · 27/04/2024 21:26

I was gonna start my own thread on this but will jump on here, I am GC but often more ‘live and let live’ type. However, I follow a lady called Kris Hallenga who set up a charity called CoppaFeel, and I have noticed their new branding is all about check your chest, rather than check your boobs. I am SO pissed about this as I think it’s genuinely confusing for people. My chest is around where my lungs are, or when you get a chesty cough. A different body part to boobs. I feel that this confusing messaging is actually putting women’s lives I danger and diluting the message of a very good charity. They are BOOBS, BREASTS, BOOBIES. Not chest. That’s a different body part. Rant over.

WipeYourFeet · 27/04/2024 21:21

WagnersFourthSymphony · 27/04/2024 20:58

I recommend The Word is Woman where Milli Hill documents the crazy erasure of the word 'woman'. La Leche League is one of those so desperate to be inclusive that it seems to overlook who does the vast majority of breastfeeding.

Common Misconception
Myth: "Exclusive bodyfeeding is what every family should do"

Fact: Families should be supported to feed human milk in the capacity they desire, are able to attain, sustain and enjoy.

Reach out to a Leader, we will always reach you where you are.
^^

Sorry? What?! BODYFEEDING?!!
That's insane - if you didn't know the background you'd be forgiven they were thanking about cannibalism!

takemeawayagain · 27/04/2024 21:20

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

The NHS have been calling things by silly names and now they're hopefully going to stop. That is all.

tillyandmilly · 27/04/2024 21:19

About time !

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2024 21:18

Based · 27/04/2024 21:14

Will anything change before the general election, though?

NHS trusts can quite plausibly say they don't have time to re-write all their publications immediately, and by the time a review takes place we might have a different government.

I have a suspicion that Labour will quietly not object.

Spidey senses are tingling.

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

Based · 27/04/2024 21:14

Will anything change before the general election, though?

NHS trusts can quite plausibly say they don't have time to re-write all their publications immediately, and by the time a review takes place we might have a different government.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2024 21:13

Hullafuckingloojah.

The worst bit is its gong to cost a fucking fortunate to update everything now because they did this in the first bloody place. As if this was ever a good spend of precious maternity funds. Exactly WHO benefitted from it? It wasn't women.

KnickerlessParsons · 27/04/2024 21:12

Perhaps they'll stop inviting "anyone who has a cervix" to have smear tests now too then, and save some ink by just inviting women.

Otterly2 · 27/04/2024 21:10

Sajid Javid said this in 2022. Steve Barclay said this in 2023. And now Victoria Atkins. The NHS is not listening to any of them and it needs to be enforced somehow.

EasternStandard · 27/04/2024 21:07

Fantastic

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