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'Chestfeeding' to be banned in NHS crackdown

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RoyalCorgi · 27/04/2024 20:35

Victoria Atkins is going to demand that NHS trusts stop using terms like chestfeeding, according to the Telegraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/27/nhs-to-limit-trans-ideology-with-new-constitution/

‘Chestfeeding’ to be banned in NHS crackdown

The health service is to limit trans ideology with new constitution

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/04/27/nhs-to-limit-trans-ideology-with-new-constitution

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RainWithSunnySpells · 28/04/2024 09:31

Can 'non-man' also go in the bin?
Actually, they can memory hole that shit and never use it again.

GoldenTrout · 28/04/2024 09:26

Otterly2 · 28/04/2024 08:54

Thank god for Kemi - she continues to challenge. I worry about what comes after she has left government.

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Pity she's so incompetent as a minister, though.

GoldenTrout · 28/04/2024 09:24

Seems to me another bit of pointless posturing by Atkins. Face it, chestfeeding is never going to catch on.as normal terminology.

nutmeg7 · 28/04/2024 09:22

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

We are protesting against being compelled to use language that is not natural English usage, for political reasons.

We are being told that using ‘breasts’ in the context of feeding a baby is wrong.

People are angry because normal everyday words are being replaced by words that don’t mean the same thing (chest is not the same part of the body as breast) and it is rendering women and women’s bodies invisible and something not to be mentioned.

There is nothing compelled about wanting to use language that everyone understands, with words that have clear and specific meanings.

FrancescaContini · 28/04/2024 09:10

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

Do you really not understand the point here?

EasternStandard · 28/04/2024 08:57

SammyScrounge · 28/04/2024 01:25

I doubt it will. Soon as Labour is safely in they will revert to weird ideology again. and gay giraffes.

Very depressing if so. We’re just climbing out of the nonsense

Otterly2 · 28/04/2024 08:55

OpusGiemuJavlo · 28/04/2024 07:22

@Dineasair I wasn't talking about the totally fucked up weirdness of male people inducing lactation. You are totally right that shit is unacceptable.

But if an actually female person has been so damaged by internal and external misogyny that she wants to opt out of the category of "woman" altogether then yes that's not healthy but in the event of pregnancy that person and their baby still deserves healthcare they can access and it's totally inappropriate to make access to the required healthcare conditional on overcoming and recanting from years of conditioning that female-coded words don't have to apply. I do not agree with that mindset but if that "gestating person" is going to be too traumatised by hearing words like "mother" "breast" etc accurately applied to their body that they avoid healthcare settings then that is actively harmful. The nurses and midwives need to prioritise the wellbeing of the baby and mother and if that can only be achieved in that specific instance by them being able to switch to sex-neutral language then that's the right thing to do.

Doesn't have to mean that any non-deluded women have to have their information in sex-neutral gobbledegook. It shouldn't be "normalised" and certainly should never be used to validate a male person's deluded attempts to mimic female biology. But the women who think they are men need it and banning it will harm them and their babies.

If they think that they are men then why are they having babies FFS?

Otterly2 · 28/04/2024 08:54

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2024 00:28

I also note this from the telegraph article

'Kemi Badenoch, the women and equalities minister, has backed calls for a public inquiry into the “pervasive influence” of transgender ideology in the NHS.'

Thank god for Kemi - she continues to challenge. I worry about what comes after she has left government.

Otterly2 · 28/04/2024 08:54

SammyScrounge · 28/04/2024 01:25

I doubt it will. Soon as Labour is safely in they will revert to weird ideology again. and gay giraffes.

Yes I think so too.

JellySaurus · 28/04/2024 08:53

DahliaStar · 28/04/2024 01:03

I've tried to challenge some of this NHS shit today and although I've not been ignored I'm not happy with their response and would welcome suggestions about what I can say or do next.

My local maternity dept put this poster out on their social media. I commented, objecting to the phrase 'birthing people', saying that every one that gives birth is a women and we should be called women. This is their confused response, it maybe a small victory but it's still infuriating.

What does 'maternal' mean, wonder? 🤔

Absolutely no coherency to this ridiculous ideology. Even the devotees can't get it right.

yoshiblue · 28/04/2024 08:06

Betterifido · 27/04/2024 21:26

I was gonna start my own thread on this but will jump on here, I am GC but often more ‘live and let live’ type. However, I follow a lady called Kris Hallenga who set up a charity called CoppaFeel, and I have noticed their new branding is all about check your chest, rather than check your boobs. I am SO pissed about this as I think it’s genuinely confusing for people. My chest is around where my lungs are, or when you get a chesty cough. A different body part to boobs. I feel that this confusing messaging is actually putting women’s lives I danger and diluting the message of a very good charity. They are BOOBS, BREASTS, BOOBIES. Not chest. That’s a different body part. Rant over.

@Betterifido when I saw this change I unfollowed on their social media channels! Bloody disgrace!

WickedSerious · 28/04/2024 08:02

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

I can't speak for anyone else,but it's genderborg arse juice that I'm against.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/04/2024 07:35

DahliaStar · 28/04/2024 01:03

I've tried to challenge some of this NHS shit today and although I've not been ignored I'm not happy with their response and would welcome suggestions about what I can say or do next.

My local maternity dept put this poster out on their social media. I commented, objecting to the phrase 'birthing people', saying that every one that gives birth is a women and we should be called women. This is their confused response, it maybe a small victory but it's still infuriating.

So to highlight World Maternal Mental Health Day, the Newcastle upon Tyne hospitals put out a poster that is so exclusionary it excludes women when talking about women's mental health in relation to pregnancy?

That's about as fucking offensive as you can get. I do hope that is picked up by the press - the useful idiots who produced and signed off on that deserve all the criticism there is for that.

Well done @DahliaStar for complaining. Is that on twitter yet?

OpusGiemuJavlo · 28/04/2024 07:22

@Dineasair I wasn't talking about the totally fucked up weirdness of male people inducing lactation. You are totally right that shit is unacceptable.

But if an actually female person has been so damaged by internal and external misogyny that she wants to opt out of the category of "woman" altogether then yes that's not healthy but in the event of pregnancy that person and their baby still deserves healthcare they can access and it's totally inappropriate to make access to the required healthcare conditional on overcoming and recanting from years of conditioning that female-coded words don't have to apply. I do not agree with that mindset but if that "gestating person" is going to be too traumatised by hearing words like "mother" "breast" etc accurately applied to their body that they avoid healthcare settings then that is actively harmful. The nurses and midwives need to prioritise the wellbeing of the baby and mother and if that can only be achieved in that specific instance by them being able to switch to sex-neutral language then that's the right thing to do.

Doesn't have to mean that any non-deluded women have to have their information in sex-neutral gobbledegook. It shouldn't be "normalised" and certainly should never be used to validate a male person's deluded attempts to mimic female biology. But the women who think they are men need it and banning it will harm them and their babies.

SammyScrounge · 28/04/2024 01:25

ATerrorofLeftovers · 27/04/2024 20:47

Great news. I hope this approach remains after the election.

I doubt it will. Soon as Labour is safely in they will revert to weird ideology again. and gay giraffes.

Mmhmmn · 28/04/2024 01:08

DahliaStar · 28/04/2024 01:03

I've tried to challenge some of this NHS shit today and although I've not been ignored I'm not happy with their response and would welcome suggestions about what I can say or do next.

My local maternity dept put this poster out on their social media. I commented, objecting to the phrase 'birthing people', saying that every one that gives birth is a women and we should be called women. This is their confused response, it maybe a small victory but it's still infuriating.

Omg. I just can’t. I have to pretend I never saw this or my head will explode. Well done for challenging it.

Mmhmmn · 28/04/2024 01:06

First I’d heard of it. What a fucking disgraceful, insulting term. How did the existence and reality of women become so offensive? The people using this term needs their heads looked at.

DahliaStar · 28/04/2024 01:03

I've tried to challenge some of this NHS shit today and although I've not been ignored I'm not happy with their response and would welcome suggestions about what I can say or do next.

My local maternity dept put this poster out on their social media. I commented, objecting to the phrase 'birthing people', saying that every one that gives birth is a women and we should be called women. This is their confused response, it maybe a small victory but it's still infuriating.

'Chestfeeding' to be banned in NHS crackdown
'Chestfeeding' to be banned in NHS crackdown
Gymnopedie · 28/04/2024 00:35

I hope they ban the practice as well as the words. I hate the fact that in order to validate their feelz these men are co-opting a baby - who cannot give their consent - as a prop in their fantasy. Wtf is that child going to feel when they get older and can understand?

I hate it.

Primroseoil · 28/04/2024 00:31

Can "bonus hole" be deleted too, how crass & degrading 🤮 If you have a cervix it's because you are a biological female, end of.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2024 00:28

I also note this from the telegraph article

'Kemi Badenoch, the women and equalities minister, has backed calls for a public inquiry into the “pervasive influence” of transgender ideology in the NHS.'

Codlingmoths · 28/04/2024 00:22

Betweenthe2 · 27/04/2024 21:16

I thought you were against policing language and compelled speech.
I guess you think it's OK when it's in a way you agree with.

Do you not grasp that someone has to write official literature and health services information, and there is a clear service requirement for that to be accurate and useful?

Lagoony · 28/04/2024 00:15

Can there be a new policy where healthcare workers actually deliver healthcare, that would be so innovative

Searchingforthelight · 28/04/2024 00:06

Betterifido · 27/04/2024 21:26

I was gonna start my own thread on this but will jump on here, I am GC but often more ‘live and let live’ type. However, I follow a lady called Kris Hallenga who set up a charity called CoppaFeel, and I have noticed their new branding is all about check your chest, rather than check your boobs. I am SO pissed about this as I think it’s genuinely confusing for people. My chest is around where my lungs are, or when you get a chesty cough. A different body part to boobs. I feel that this confusing messaging is actually putting women’s lives I danger and diluting the message of a very good charity. They are BOOBS, BREASTS, BOOBIES. Not chest. That’s a different body part. Rant over.

Omg! Just had a look at their twitter. Couldn’t believe it, it’s all about checking your ‘chest’. Makes me think of listening to your breathing with stethoscope for their monthly chest check.
To top it all their pics at the top of their feed is of a man checking his chest
FFS
so idiotic it should cease to exist

AstralSpace · 27/04/2024 23:57

Imagine not being a native speaker and trying to figure out bodyfeeding and cervix haver.
Many languages have masculine or feminine for everything. You cannot just change those languages to become sex neutral. It makes no sense.
I know someone who works as an interpreter for the nhs. People will think she's an idiot who can't speak the language if she tried to use different sex pronouns or sex neutralise the language.