'Chestfeeding' to be banned in NHS crackdown

@RainWithSunnySpells Thank you. I think I've heard it all now. Surely this isn't safe?!!! I have been told by pharmacists to avoid Strepsils whilst breastfeeding as just one example.

Health care services should not be limited in ways that make them less accessible to anycategory of person

Except the old fashioned kind of women apparently.

The article states that the "the proposed changes will be subject to an eight-week consultation". This makes me think that the chances of them implementing a new constitution by the time a general election takes place will be quite slim.

Yes he was and yet Labour devotees pretend that this was just a blip. The fact that he even felt that it was ok to say this is gobsmackingly awful.

Yes it's really weird isn't it?

I shall wait and see. The NHS is a behemoth infiltrated by women hating TRAs it seems to me. Changing this will take years.

As I dont read the Telegraph - who is being consulted and is there something I should be filling in?

On the face of it this looks good but if there is going to be a consultation before this is implemented it will really need cross party consensus to succeed because otherwise when Labour win the next election it’ll just get dropped and everything will carry on as before.

It's about fucking time it was stopped.

I breastfed. Well, for a while.
If someone wants to call it chest feeding for themselves then fair enough. They can use it when referring to themselves but they can fuck off with trying to make me talk about chest feeding my babies and any midwife or Dr who tried to talk to me about me chest feeding my baby would be told to pack it the fuck in.

Mammals have breast tissue to produce milk, not chest tissue.

None of your business.

Not every pregnancy is planned. If it is planned then there's nothing intrinsic to people who identify as "trans" that makes them immune to the human desire to procreate. Adults with the capacity to do so do not need anyone's permission or approval to get pregnant.

Health care services should not be limited in ways that make them less accessible to any category of person.

I wish they'd stop fannying around consulting and actually implement something, start firing people if necessary.

I hear you, but my guess is that the consultation perod is a legal requirement.

I am also one who believes that it will all get changed back again once the government changes. There are now too many activists in position that will mean this will be rolled out with a change in government. It will probably be done behind the scenes.

After all, Starmer effectively modeled that no one should speak the truth about cervixes. He was very clear.

Talking of Brighton and Sussex, isn't this the same Trust?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/04/27/nhs-trust-patient-deaths-inquiry-opted-out-expert-advice/

https://archive.ph/YzPpN bypass paywall

Ideology over competency.

And 'Coppafeel'? Just the name gives me the ick.

I added a reminder into my phone calendar on a monthly repeat, with an alert. It works perfectly.

'Primary parent' - what's the other one? Sperm donor? Egg donor? Hand holder? Name sharer?

As PPs have said, provide alternative literature for those who need it, but stick to clear, unambiguous, truthful language as the standard. Mother. Woman. Father. Partner.

Fine example of wasting time, money, resources, “expertise” to show devotion to the Gender god.

Here's an archive link that may help anyone who's not been able to read the article, it'll help you past the paywall

https://archive.ph/VGlqa

This makes me despair

In 2021, Brighton and Sussex University Hospital became the first NHS trust in the country to formally implement a gender-inclusive language policy for its maternity services department – which will now be known as “perinatal services”.

The consultation also covers single sex (not gender) wards and same sex (not gender) care.

I wish they'd stop fannying around consulting and actually implement something, start firing people if necessary.

Take drugs to induce lactation. Unfortunately, there was an article praising milk produced by transwomen as 'just as good' or some such phrasing. I didn't see any analysis in the article of what level of the lactation-inducing-drugs were in the resulting milk. Logic says we need to know the answer to that question.

Link if anyone wants to look through a Rainbow Badge accreditation report to see the full extent of the madness.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rainbowbadgeeaccreditationrepoo18/response/2518318/attach/3/FOI%20124382%20Final%20response%20attachment%20NHS%20Rainbow%20Badge%20Report%20GSTT.pdf?cookie_passthrough=1

On the plus side, at least it's only the maternity, gynaecology, breast and cervix cancer literature they'll have to correct. It's not like they need to make any changes to the prostate cancer stuff, is it?

I wonder why.

@JellySaurus

Absolutely no coherency to this ridiculous ideology. Even the devotees can't get it right.

My example of trusts getting it wrong is from the Guy's Rainbow badge assessment where they had to have it explained that a trans woman is a man and a person accessing perinatal services would be a trans man. It's good to see the devotees forced to admit reality occasionally. 😅 Let's hope "carrying parent" is consigned to the bin as well.

"It is important to note that when thinking about perinatal service provision the patient cohort would be trans men not trans women. A trans woman is someone who was assigned male at birth but identifies and lives as a woman.
When looking at birth and overall care planning I have seen evidence that the service uses language referring to the carrying parent as the primary parent and either description is acceptable."

The bottom line is that the NHS shouldn’t have spent a nano-second of its time or a penny of its income on any gender shite whatsoever. Its role is to work with facts, not ideology.

How does one breastfeed if they are not a woman?!!!

They said it to the press. Which is very different to actually taking some executive action to make changes. The people who write these documents aren’t going to update them simply because Javid gave an interview in the Telegraph. If you want to change stuff in a large organisation, especially one like the NHS which is effectively dozens of separate completely autonomous organisations (trusts) you have to put in a serious plan to change things top down.

A copywriter hired by a maternity unit in Anytown is not going to change a thing unless they are told to by their manager and so on up the chain.

Governing by press interview and sound bite doesn’t work, you actually have to govern.

If a trans identifying man wants to feed their child from their body it will be from their breasts, not chest. So they want to be a man but refuse to acknowledge their womanhood except when it suits them! So why not call a spade a spade in any case?