The Grauniad on a damaging “reality” show

Good practice would be to tell people what reality is and that they should have confidence and faith in that. And they shouldn't allow themselves to be gaslight into thinking differently.

Funny isn't it.

I can definitely say that when I accepted that I was being gaslight and it was abusive to force me to tell untruths and try and rewrite my life, I was free of the fear, obligation and guilt.

Fairly sure they'll be a few transwidows on FWR who will totally get where I'm coming from on that.

Ethical psychiatric care aims to rid patients of delusions, not to install them.

The Soviets were great fans of abusing psychiatric medicine, to try to force people to believe in things they knew to be untrue. Is that what you had in mind?

OK
Imo implying people might need support to deal with the trauma of someone coming out isn't #bekind to anyone other than the affected person. But I can't assume that's what butterfly meant.

Would be nice if we could just take posts with noble intent, rather than implying a malevolent agenda.

Not possible when someone can't see women and children and their right to safeguarding.

Sorry. You don't get to try and pull that trick of gaslighting women into 'being kind' when there's been THAT script and conversation on another thread over the course of the last few days.

Women deserve to be seen and their rights recognised. Children deserve to be seen and their rights recognised.

When you have a male insisting that their singular experience must be the basis of everything and being taken as proof of how transition is harmless for all, and can't acknowledge the point that Cass makes that this isn't a homogeneous group and is instead a heterogenous group with complex multiple unmet needs, the answer is NO WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS.

Because 'tolerance' is the very thing that has caused harm to countless kids and countless women.

No more.

Hyperbole.

Women want to keep their our words and spaces, and we oppose transitioning children. Otherwise life your life! We'll support you. Nothing anti trans about it.

It would be great if the trans activists accepted that 99% of our aims are in alignment.

Whatever the intent was, that was a tone deaf post given that women (sex based meaning) have been literally institutionalised for defying men's expectations.

Society found it easier to believe the narrative of the irrational and hysterical female mind than face up to what it was doing en masse to half of humanity.

https://time.com/6074783/psychiatry-history-women-mental-health/

Anyone who might wonder why the idea of manly and womanly minds being so offsensive, if not downright dangerous, to female people would do well to think on this.

That wasn't butterflys point I don't think.
I thought their point was that someone close to you coming out as trans is almost like a bereavement or a trauma, it shakes the foundations of you and your relationship. And therapy helps to manage that.

I saw butterfly as being empathetic tbh. Would be nice if we could just take posts with noble intent, rather than implying a malevolent agenda.

My biggest issue above all else is the problem with respect.

The common theme is the demanding of respect by one party, without a single strand of compassion or thought for women or children.

Human rights are based on balancing harms and needs. Not demanding one party gets everything they desire and to hell with the safety and wellbeing of everyone else.

Compassion isn't a one way street.

My pissedoffness and anger comes from the sheer selfishness and deliberate erasure of anything that's an inconvenient truth.

Like oh The Entire Cass Report.

Wrong target group. David Bell, Dr Cass & other professionals have highlighted the lack of qualified therapeutic input for young people who think they're the opposite sex. The overshadowing of trans over all their other co- morbidities is resulting in them reaching adulthood with their other mental health problems going untreated.
Very worrying.

Also.

Do you seriously think there's a clinic out there for gender critical family members to go pour their hearts out to thatd be trusted in the current climate as not being totally captured? It'd be little more than more of the same abuse to brainwash.

And if it's not captured, I know exactly what it'd tell people to do for their own well being. And Im not sure you'd like it.

Wow.

Just fucking wow.

Unfuckingbelievable gaslighting.

Good advice butterfly

I would desperately urge anyone to engage with appropriately qualified professional health services if they are having difficulty with a family member's transition and haven't sought them out already.

You do you and let me do me Red. It means nothing to you if I decide to use pronouns. And actually flirts post was useful earlier. Because actually I usually don't use pronouns, I just don't refuse to use pronouns and refer to TW as men.

The same one that throws a tantrum and says its no fair when they don't get what they want and they don't get to dismiss world class paediatric doctors because to they don't say validating things to support their own transition because oh shit children have multiple complex needs and should be safeguarded. How very dare they be so inconvenient as to not being strange forward little clones.

There is no way you can train children to be confused about sex. We are animals. Our reproductive instincts will always override our "socialisation".
This is basically the same regressive argument that children will be "turned gay" by education about homosexuality.

The only person that matters is the 'vulnerable one' who has 'no power'.

Except the power to make everyone around them pretend that material reality ceases to exist.

Magic. It's incredible how that happens isn't it?

You might want to do a bit of self reflection about why you spend so much time attempting to control women on here? Smearing women and mothers as "anti trans" and displaying a lack of insight and empathy into women's sex based oppression. Not to mention a shocking lack of insight in to safeguarding children?

It is of course up to you where you post but if it's as awful an experience as you claim.......🙄

Because being told repeatedly that your brother, your son, your father is now no longer that but is in fact your sister, your daughter or your mother has absolutely no psychological effect or distress?

Yes yes we get it just fine.

The fantasy must be upheld and reality must be suppressed.

This bit from flirtswithrhinos

“Women are not a metaphor for trans women's feelings of alienation from male society and their own male bodies.”

should be a banner heading on this forum.

While I am mildly amused by the notion that someone would advocate for the compassionate and respectful treatment of trans people on a forum infamous for its role as a recruiting ground for the anti-trans movement as a way of 'getting off', I can assure you that the experience of regularly subjecting myself to intense hostility from yourself and other posters is not, in fact, something I would classify as in any way enjoyable.

It is almost unrelentingly grim and miserable, in fact, and a source of not insignificant psychological strain.

'Gender Euphoria'

No woman gets off on correctly sexing anyone.

Males get off on being gendered according to their desires.

Make of that, what you will.

Indeed attempts to 'correct' me over my brother are a clear power play.

Yep, power and control. Force speech, thought and compliance - you will obey, how very totalitarian.