Online talk Thurs 25 April 2024: "Deconstructing transphobia" - Dr Natacha Kennedy

This is almost certainly the wrong place to post this, but Yesterday I had a light bulb moment about what is going on when people (men, actually) adopt the appearance of another sort of being, in this case, women, for malign reasons. It has happened throughout history, or been believed to have happened, usually adopting the appearance of animals. There is a Navajo word for it, but JKR got into trouble for using it inappropriately in a HP spin off. (My friend watches TV progs based on it.) Presenting in the skin of another puts it better than werewoman, would, but it is what is happening. And no matter what they say about pregnancy or nipple secretions, or soft penises, they can be nothing more than a man in the "skin" of a woman. And up to no good.
Perhaps not all TWs, but too many of them.

And I just found this........
https://www.charlottecgill.co.uk/p/taxpayer-funded-job-of-the-week-gay
You may remember in March that I wrote about a research project titled The Europe That Gay Porn Built, 1945-2000, which was awarded £841,830 by the Arts and Humanities Research Council for a period of roughly three years (Nov 23-Oct 27).Well now it’s hiring for two posts “to help with archival and oral histories research on the circulation and impact of post-war gay erotica and porn magazines in Europe”… for three years:

Thanks for this. I'm becoming increasingly shocked by the state of research. Presumably, Researchgate is just a self-publishing platform with no scrutiny involved.

I'd be very interested in what you find.

Yes, N did say that. I’m not exactly sure when but it was shortly before a screenshot I took which is timestamped at 15:10.

It was soon followed by the statement that “a tiny number of trans children” stop being trans. (That’s what I wrote but it may not be verbatim. I took it to mean detransition.) A “very very tiny number” of [trans] adults stop being trans. 1% was mentioned but I’m not completely confident exactly what that refers to, nor the 99.8% figure which then appeared in a screenshot which said exactly this, comparing surgery dissatisfaction rates:

Actual Up-to-Date Statistics
• Adult continuation rate; 99.8% continue (Davies et al 2019)
Comparisons, surgery dissatisfaction rates;

• Rhinoplasty;
• 16.4%.
• Hip replacement;
• 10%+.
• Laser eye surgery;
• 4%.

I didn’t spot the figures about hip replacement at the time. I know probably a dozen people who have had hip replacements, all 50+, and every one has been very glad to have it done and has had their second one done if they had had problems with both hips. But that’s anecdata.

If the foetus can pick up clues about gender and how they will be treated because of that gender, why are any girls born in extremely repressive societies?

Oddly, unless female foetuses are aborted, males and females are born at a pretty similar rate.

I think this person is batshit crazy.

Suffragettes were a lot more violent. We [trans people] are described as being violent but we are probably the most peaceful movement.

<recalls TRAs with pictures of guns at a LWS event and the Black Pampers>

Peaceful my left foot.

I find this theory very interesting and would like to know more. Can someone who’s read it please explain what cues the foetus picks up in-utero? Also how they are able to interpret those cues in terms of what it means to be their gender, given that they haven’t yet been born so therefore haven’t yet been assigned their gender at birth?

Sh! 🤫 Stop all your boner-killing realism.

@FlakyPoet

I have been into an online rabbit-hole where a man was claiming that taking female sex hormones was making his penis start to naturally invert and was on the way to becoming a vagina.

Please correct me if I am wrong (I'm not a biologist), but I thought it was the clitoris that elongated to become a penis in the male foetus, so this doesn't even make any biological sense. The vagina closes and the testes descend and the labia seal up to create the ballbag which is why there is a line down the middle of the bag. 🤔

What’s wrong with trans women getting pregnant? This [will?] be possible in a few years.) Treatment is almost the same as cis women trying to get pregnant. It’s fascism!

Fuck that. So growing humans in a bag is progressive according to this male academic?

Yes, this person deserves to be given no credibility at all.

Looking at the end of the self-co-authored paper to the works cited, you can see that targeting children and using the Trojan horse of anti-bullying work in schools to push this propaganda was an intention of NK/MH back in 2008 (when there was aggressive lobbying within the women’s sector to make SRE compulsory to try to teach MVAWG out of existence). Look where we are now, 16 years later.

The think is NK/MH has been disingenuous from the start. Has anyone taken one for the team read/analysed this self-co-authored paper? http://www.gjss.org/sites/default/files/issues/chapters/papers/Journal-07-02--02-Kennedy-Hellen.pdf

Very quickly you see citations from Kennedy and then another from Hellen. Clearly this sets out to deceive, pretending they are two separate people.

I get the sense that this is like one lengthy Derren Brown-style hoax. Seeing what you can get away with, what bullshit you can make people swallow, how you can manipulate people to do weird stuff.

I think NK/MH is as surprised as we are with just how far it’s gone.

What’s wrong with trans women getting pregnant? This [will?] be possible in a few years.) Treatment is almost the same as cis women trying to get pregnant. It’s fascism.

Oh yes. Almost the same, with no ovaries, fallopian tubes, vagina or womb or menstrual cycle. Practically identical.

Yes, this one got me too.

I did also snigger involuntarily. It is almost like Natacha doesn’t have the foggiest clue about anything.

And NK really can’t complain about a lack of trans voices when they’ve been refusing to appear on TV segments with GC feminists for years.

Turns out ‘No Debate’ was a daft strategy, eh NK?

Although,, tbf, Operation Let Them Speak has been working wonders for women and children.

A middle aged male in a wig talking about chemically atunting the pubertal development of healthy children isn’t a winning strategy.

If Mermaids had been run by a TW rather than a mum they would never have been as successful.
See also: Hayley Cropper.

In the Keira Bell case, the first conviction was widely reported. The second case, resulting in an acquittal, was rarely reported, eg by The Guardian.

Did NK say this?

KB’s case was a judicial review, so no conviction or acquittal took place, that’s criminal law language.

@Datun And no-one gets up and asks for a definition of fascism.

What’s wrong with trans women getting pregnant? This [will?] be possible in a few years.) Treatment is almost the same as cis women trying to get pregnant. It’s fascism.

Dear lord.

I mean I've heard it before. But it's no less insane because of that.

And now everyone else can hear it too. 'Fascism'

@NotNatacha 18 anti trans news items per day? Would that include stories about Isla Bryson, Katie Dolatowski, Amy George, Karen White, Scarlett Blake and all the other fragrant trans ladies?

Could that talk not be considered an incitement to violence against “cizz” women?

I wonder what ‘Sara at the back’ had been smoking….

I got the feeling Sara may have been a stooge. Kennedy needs a supportive plant in the audience to take the mic and give the impression that this stuff is what some people believe…

Also the incel logic about ‘cis white women’ in the Just Stop Oil movement, etc supposedly having power over big pro-violence men. Next they’ll complain that it’s transphobic not to use men as honey traps.

Oh brother! 🤦

Was this really hosted by the Institute of Education? Absolutely terrifying that this chancer has got a platform still where he can influence the people teaching our children, many of whom, sorry ‘Sara at the back’ who wishes they could get away with violence, will have pesky, white, middle class women as a parent.