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Help me explain to the hard of thinking why the word 'cis' should not be in our public facing document

83 replies

BangsHeadOnDesk · 24/04/2024 12:45

That. Can't explain too much more for outing reasons, and have NC too.

But in short, I need to explain to outside contractors and an internal idiot why this is not a good idea. I have some arguments - that we are not taking sides, that it is seen as offensive, but anything to back them up is very welcome.

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arethereanyleftatall · 24/04/2024 13:26

It's insulting to women, who are just that, women. We aren't a subset of ourselves.

InvisibleBuffy · 24/04/2024 13:25

Because 'cis' is about gender stereotyping and makes the assumption that the majority of women comply with outdated gender stereotypes in dress and behaviour.
Additionally, it others gender non-conforming women by implying that they might not be women at all. It is a deeply sexist concept.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 24/04/2024 13:23

And of course, using cis- could also exclude those who do not to identify with gender concepts at all.

midgetastic · 24/04/2024 13:12

It the document related to sex or gender?

If sex then cis is not needed but may cause confusion and hurt

If gender, then a lot more descriptions are needed as many women are not cis or trans ( none binary , gender none conforming, gender rejecting ....)

PaleBlueMoonlight · 24/04/2024 13:08

You also need to check that in using the prefix cis- they do actually mean only those people? I.e. if they use cis-women, does the context mean that they do actually want to exclude eg. female humans who describe themselves as NB, "queer" or trans in some way?

Ingenieur · 24/04/2024 12:59

To echo the previous two posters, it:

i) implies that there are other groups of women, and
ii) validates a belief in the existence of a gender identity as a prerequisite, a belief I don't share.

In addition to this, it imposes a way of describing myself that I haven't consented to, which is something trans rights activist are keen on for themselves.

I wouldn't describe myself as a shiksa or a kuffar, and I find the terms a bit offensive, even if people with other belief systems might use them about me.

Waitwhat23 · 24/04/2024 12:54

I would personally describe it as language relating to the doctrines of a pseudo - religion and that the public may object to being referred to by a term which is analogous with heretic.

In a work situation, I would probably do a slightly modified version of this and point out that many people do not identify with the ideological term 'cis' which may lead to less engagement with your document.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/06/27/the-problem-with-cis/

menopausalmare · 24/04/2024 12:54

Because it implies there are sub groups of women.
There aren't.
There are women (adult human females) and men who identify as women.