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JoyousAsOtters · 23/04/2024 08:31

One of the many aspects of this whole saga that is so tragic is the fact that someone with a mind this sharp and clear was forced to leave her post. A whole cohort of students at Sussex will now have missed the opportunity to learn from her.

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StellaOlivetti · 23/04/2024 08:31

I think I might actually love Professor Stock. Sharp and brilliant article, thank you so much for the share token @JoyousAsOtters .
I know what you mean @PriOn1 , but I do now feel optimistic that the tide is turning for real.

CheeseDreamsTonight · 23/04/2024 08:24

Brilliant article

JoyousAsOtters · 23/04/2024 08:24

I think she’s so sharp in her dissection of the detail. And still manages to keep wit and humour in her points - it’s great writing.

’The most obvious difference between wokeness and other passing fashions is that nobody working in HR ever decreed that moustache-wearers or indie folk-listeners be considered uniquely oppressed minority groups. In contrast, thanks to wild and unevidenced claims made at the height of wokemania by lobbying groups, thousands of organisations have been left with unfair, illiberal and sometimes even illegal policies that blatantly cater to the special interests of a few: rules about how social spaces can be accessed and by whom; what data can and cannot be collected; what conversations are allowed and which are not. Policies tend to dictate organisational behaviour long after those who first championed them move on ideologically; and especially when propped up by a raft of specially created career positions, whose occupants have a financial interest in maintaining the momentum.’

Followed by:

‘And alongside such policies, superficially moralised gestures have become embedded in many workplaces, embraced by senior figures for no better reason than they think everyone else is doing it too and by junior figures because the boss is doing it. Students at liberal arts colleges may no longer be listing their pronouns but the head of MI6 currently has his in his Twitter/X bio. Activist-sanctioned holy weeks and days are carefully observed by blue-chip managers. Hospitals, construction sites, police stations, council buildings, banks and hotels are festooned with the visual monstrosity that is the Progress flag. None of this happened with the craze for platform shoes or Agas.’

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FloraAdora · 23/04/2024 08:11

Oh she’s good. I love how she simultaneously derides attitudes as fads, whilst pointing out they are still dangerous:

”None of this happened with the craze for platform shoes or Agas”

Thanks for sharing @JoyousAsOtters

LoobiJee · 23/04/2024 08:06

Igneococcus · 23/04/2024 08:05

Oi, stop it right there, there is nothing wrong with Indie folk!

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LoobiJee · 23/04/2024 08:05

“superficially moralised gestures have become embedded in many workplaces”

“In effect, the storm-surge of wokeness throughout British institutions from 2020 onwards was what the political scientist Cass Sunstein has called a “reputational cascade”: a relatively small number of people started acting in a certain way, each for roughly independent reasons; then at a certain point, a wider group of people started observing the behaviour of the smaller group and copying them, each privately assuming their reputations would be damaged if they did not. Before long, this pattern expanded exponentially, helped by the odd bit of public witch-burning.”

“the existence of a reputational cascade doesn’t require sincere belief in the rectitude or wisdom of whatever behaviours you are copying, only the sincere belief that nearly everybody else thinks such behaviours are good ones.”

Igneococcus · 23/04/2024 08:05

Oi, stop it right there, there is nothing wrong with Indie folk!

LoobiJee · 23/04/2024 07:58

“The most obvious difference between wokeness and other passing fashions is that nobody working in HR ever decreed that moustache-wearers or indie folk-listeners be considered uniquely oppressed minority groups. In contrast, thanks to wild and unevidenced claims made at the height of wokemania by lobbying groups, thousands of organisations have been left with unfair, illiberal and sometimes even illegal policies that blatantly cater to the special interests of a few: rules about how social spaces can be accessed and by whom; what data can and cannot be collected; what conversations are allowed and which are not. Policies tend to dictate organisational behaviour long after those who first championed them move on ideologically; and especially when propped up by a raft of specially created career positions, whose occupants have a financial interest in maintaining the momentum.”

Keeprejoining · 23/04/2024 07:47

Excellent,

borntobequiet · 23/04/2024 07:38

Her not he! Didn’t proofread my edit properly.

PriOn1 · 23/04/2024 07:37

As ever, I hope she’s right.

I wish that self-ID hadn’t been brought in in two important countries and title IX hadn’t been fucked over, just as we made the huge breakthrough with Cass.

I’m always glad to hear from Dr Stock, but I wish we had more proof that the tide really is turning. I’ve heard that too many times now.

borntobequiet · 23/04/2024 07:37

IMO Kathleen Stock is the only contemporary writer/commentator who is comparable to Orwell in he understanding and analysis. A brilliant article.

TheColourOutOfSpace · 23/04/2024 07:35

It's a really good article. Thanks for sharing. Definitely lots of organisations and institutions will take a while to catch up to sanity. Lots of cushy jobs and roles will have to go.

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