A thread for the ferrets

I'll bring you a blanket and a flask of tea. I suspect it's going to be a long wait.

Its why I'm impressed with wes streeting.

Hes actively clarifying his stance when he could stay silent and hes not blaming others, he's stated that he has looked into it and changed his views on some points.

Bulters comment seemed forced and not genuine, which indicates her opinions haven't really changed.

I suppose as long as starmer keeps her away from responsible positions, it doesnt matter too much.

This fascinates me too! She must be an absolute powerhouse- she picks up the phone, organises meetings with those organisations who have disparaged her report and within hours they are issuing sorry ma’am, yes ma’am, we will correct the record immediately ma’am tweets.

The woman is a bloody force of nature. I am so, so impressed.

Watching it, I got the feeling that her statement was mandated. The Labour bigwigs, the whips, her local party, all of them, none of them?

I'd like to think she did it because Dr Cass's legal team told her to or else off her own bat.

What was Alison Bailey's appeal about???!

Good point Arabella we don't know if it was voluntary or something the labour party leadership asked her to do, presumably so they'd look a bit less batshit to voters.

If that was the case, I'd agree, but IMO Butler has aggressively pushed this ideology knowing it made no sense and was actively harmful, with tons of evidence to support this position (which she knew about) as it was useful for her politically to do so. She deliberately looked no further, refused to examine evidence from whistleblowers or testimony from detransitioners and stuck her head in the sand for YEARS, dismissing the very many concerns about the impact on women and children.

She KNEW what she said about Cass was wrong. She's only apologising now because she's realising the wheels are coming off and she can't carry on with her anti-science lies without being called out on them by a wider group of people than vulnerable women and children.

Thanks @ArabellaScott, but did she wilfully misunderstand the Cass Report?

Might there be any crossover, with young people having access to some sort of interim service before the age of 25, and will more funds be committed so that we do not continue to see what all of us will face in our constituencies: the horror of young people being unable to access child and adolescent mental health services before they turn 18 and become reliant on adult mental health care?'

Suzanne Moore has written in the Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/04/23/suzanne-moore-cass-review-report-cult/

https://archive.ph/HB5KO bypass the paywall

I don't know why the archived version is all in italics.

I think she's wrong at the end

Until fairly recently, it has been heresy to do so. Those still defending the sterilisation and mutilation of children are exposing themselves daily. Of course, they are squirming because it was never about the children for them; it was about proving their own purity to the other cult members. The kids were just collateral damage in a culture war we were told was not actually real.

I think for some it absolutely is about the kids. A minority because they get off on it, but the majority because they need the converts. Partly to indoctrinate them young but also because every damaged child brings family and friends who will be the staunchest of allies. The shock troops who cannot back down. who have to support their loved one so that they can live with what's been done to them, what they colluded in.

It's Kate Osbourne I'm watching

I wonder when Noakes, Harris et al will do a bit of reverse ferreting. Noakes did sit in Parliament when the response to the Cass report was being debated but she was probably trying to work out how others were managing before stepping in. Makes ya laugh

This is a cautionary tale about the dangers of outsourcing one's critical thinking faculty to a bunch of self-interested ideologists.

Without the ridicule, there'd be no need for the strength of character.
Fire forges steel.

Yep, Dawn can piss off the women of Mumsnet all she likes and will never have to fear for her personal safety. Very convenient if you need a get out of jail free card to appease the TRAs.

Or mummy has marched you weeping to your friends house to apologise for being mean to her little brother.

Sometimes you mean it and sometimes you don’t (and know you’d do it again).

Jk isn't letting Harvey off

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1782386232774766916

I’m fascinated that Dr Cass has taken the time to engage with Stonewall and Dawn. She really is a woman of class and steel.

Harvie will be raging. Shame that.

Just for posterity -

twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1781989206618714241

Who else has wiped the slate? 🤔

Patrick Harvie! My god, when the pendulum swings back to common sense, it swings hard. He would have hated having to do this so much.

Didn’t we also have ‘As Stonewall says …’ from Humza

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