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ArabellaScott · 22/04/2024 17:34

Take it away, Dawn!

https://twitter.com/roseveniceallan/status/1782430988066312639

'Mr Speaker, I was quoting Stonewall's briefing, and there was some fallout from this, I've spent the weekend in conversation with Stonewall and Dr Cass.

'Mr Speaker, by quoting this briefing, it seems I may have inadvertently misled the House'.

https://twitter.com/roseveniceallan/status/1782430988066312639

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RedToothBrush · 27/04/2024 13:52

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/04/2024 13:30

I have pondered why the smaller political parties (Greens, LibDems etc.) seem to be the most susceptible to the cult. Previously, I've put it down to them being smaller, and therefore it taking fewer infiltrators/activists/entryists to turn the ship. They're generally newer too, with rulebooks that maybe don't quite cover all eventualities.

Your comment set me thinking in a different direction.

Smaller parties have less power. Some people go into politics because they want power. Do those people disproportionately enter the smaller parties because being a big fish in a little pond feeds their ego better? And do such people then revel in "the power to make others say things they completely disagree with"?

There's less people to disagree with you. The LD federal system means that if you get just a couple of people in either one constituency or group it's easy to bully others out and take control. So yes big egos do better without as much resistance.

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/04/2024 13:30

nauticant · 27/04/2024 11:08

One part of this that I think is often neglected is that there are people about who get a huge thrill from having the power to make others say things they completely disagree with and having to say it through gritted teeth is a distressing experience for them.

I have pondered why the smaller political parties (Greens, LibDems etc.) seem to be the most susceptible to the cult. Previously, I've put it down to them being smaller, and therefore it taking fewer infiltrators/activists/entryists to turn the ship. They're generally newer too, with rulebooks that maybe don't quite cover all eventualities.

Your comment set me thinking in a different direction.

Smaller parties have less power. Some people go into politics because they want power. Do those people disproportionately enter the smaller parties because being a big fish in a little pond feeds their ego better? And do such people then revel in "the power to make others say things they completely disagree with"?

WickedSerious · 27/04/2024 13:10

Signalbox · 27/04/2024 12:13

It’s very strange that all these people are coming as trans in the midst of a trans genocide.

Isn't it just?

I think I'd be keeping my head down if I was in their stilettos.

ArabellaScott · 27/04/2024 12:17

nauticant · 27/04/2024 10:50

Will this be the historical precedent for how Private Eye does its reverse ferret?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2010/03/01/turning-a-blind-eye-to-the-truth/

Holy moly! I had no idea.

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Signalbox · 27/04/2024 12:13

WickedSerious · 27/04/2024 11:40

Up until two years ago I knew one bloke who claimed to be a woman(I went to school with him),now I know five.

It's like nits.

It’s very strange that all these people are coming as trans in the midst of a trans genocide.

WickedSerious · 27/04/2024 11:40

Signalbox · 27/04/2024 10:29

Presumably some of these MPs who say TWAW will have “trans identified” children or friends or family members.

Personally I’ve gone from knowing zero people who claim to be trans (in my entire life) to 4 within the last 5 years. I imagine this is a phenomenon that many people are experiencing.

It’s going to be much more difficult for MPs who do have friends / family to back away from this when the reaction to admitting you know TWAW is sometimes extreme (breaking off friendships, going no contact, publicly being called a bigot etc.)

Up until two years ago I knew one bloke who claimed to be a woman(I went to school with him),now I know five.

It's like nits.

nauticant · 27/04/2024 11:08

One part of this that I think is often neglected is that there are people about who get a huge thrill from having the power to make others say things they completely disagree with and having to say it through gritted teeth is a distressing experience for them.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2024 10:51

Signalbox · 27/04/2024 10:48

In reality trans activists already know that people don’t believe TWAW.

It’s just a power game; getting people to say something out loud you know they don’t believe, achieved by making life unpleasant for those who refuse to pretend. If there were zero unpleasant consequences 99% of people would never say TWAW. If people believed TWAW there would be no need for unpleasant consequences.

Exactly. It's manipulative.

Would you stand similar from other people? No.

So why do people put up with this type of abusive behaviour.

nauticant · 27/04/2024 10:50

Will this be the historical precedent for how Private Eye does its reverse ferret?

https://www.spiked-online.com/2010/03/01/turning-a-blind-eye-to-the-truth/

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2024 10:50

Signalbox · 27/04/2024 10:29

Presumably some of these MPs who say TWAW will have “trans identified” children or friends or family members.

Personally I’ve gone from knowing zero people who claim to be trans (in my entire life) to 4 within the last 5 years. I imagine this is a phenomenon that many people are experiencing.

It’s going to be much more difficult for MPs who do have friends / family to back away from this when the reaction to admitting you know TWAW is sometimes extreme (breaking off friendships, going no contact, publicly being called a bigot etc.)

It's not being a good friend to stuff them full of affirmation and lies.

If your friends and family care then THEY won't break contact.

No one ever turns it the other way around.

sashagabadon · 27/04/2024 10:48

Private Eye clearly doing their own “ reverse ferret” a phase they populised!
infuriating to blame it all on Maria miller though when it is labour mp’s that have been most pro gender ideology. Tories have been much more ignore and hope it goes away.
remember Boris saying mid covid pandemic that only a man has a penis and everyone was outraged!

Signalbox · 27/04/2024 10:48

ApocalipstickNow · 27/04/2024 10:33

Well it’s certainly going to be awkward when some trans people find out their cheerleader friends didn’t actually believe TWAW/TMAM after all

In reality trans activists already know that people don’t believe TWAW.

It’s just a power game; getting people to say something out loud you know they don’t believe, achieved by making life unpleasant for those who refuse to pretend. If there were zero unpleasant consequences 99% of people would never say TWAW. If people believed TWAW there would be no need for unpleasant consequences.

IcakethereforeIam · 27/04/2024 10:42

Previous poster made me curious

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_ferret

This is the type of stuff I'm prepared to 'trust' Wikipedia on, fairly inconsequential if it turns out to be bollocks.

Reverse ferret - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_ferret

ApocalipstickNow · 27/04/2024 10:33

Well it’s certainly going to be awkward when some trans people find out their cheerleader friends didn’t actually believe TWAW/TMAM after all

Signalbox · 27/04/2024 10:29

Presumably some of these MPs who say TWAW will have “trans identified” children or friends or family members.

Personally I’ve gone from knowing zero people who claim to be trans (in my entire life) to 4 within the last 5 years. I imagine this is a phenomenon that many people are experiencing.

It’s going to be much more difficult for MPs who do have friends / family to back away from this when the reaction to admitting you know TWAW is sometimes extreme (breaking off friendships, going no contact, publicly being called a bigot etc.)

viques · 27/04/2024 09:52

Keeprejoining · 22/04/2024 17:53

Could you explain what's happening, I'm not on X

Ferrets and ferreting is what happens when previously TWAW diehards realise that not only is the rubbish they have been spouting misinformed, dangerous and downright impossible but that post Cass the tide is turning and they are in danger of getting stuck in the quicksand if they don’t do a hasty u turn.

It is fun to watch.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2024 08:05

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 26/04/2024 22:54

Problem is he just wants to be the bland inoffensive (women don't count - obviously) candidate because there's no way he's getting beaten by the Tories - it's extremely unedifying.

He's just offensive for not recognising reality which is thoroughly illiberal and authoritarian.

It's not a good look. And it's not bland.

It's a statement in its own right to say women are unimportant and safeguarding is unimportant. The only thing that is important is my career.

Dineasair · 27/04/2024 00:10

Boiledbeetle · 22/04/2024 19:12

Stonewall made me do it

😂

Morwenscapacioussleeves · 26/04/2024 22:54

ArabellaScott · 26/04/2024 21:01

I want to see your ferret reverse, Keir. Come on. Get off the fucking fence.

Problem is he just wants to be the bland inoffensive (women don't count - obviously) candidate because there's no way he's getting beaten by the Tories - it's extremely unedifying.

Boiledbeetle · 26/04/2024 21:25

ArabellaScott · 26/04/2024 21:01

I want to see your ferret reverse, Keir. Come on. Get off the fucking fence.

Don't be daft, those splinters are stuck so far up his arse he will need removing from the fence surgically.

ArabellaScott · 26/04/2024 21:01

I want to see your ferret reverse, Keir. Come on. Get off the fucking fence.

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ArabellaScott · 26/04/2024 21:00

'Anas Sarwar on Scottish gender recognition act - self ID - on PM (around 5.14pm onwards).

Evan Davies: "Would you still vote for that bill knowing everything you know now?"

Anas Sarwar: "No."'

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nauticant · 26/04/2024 17:30

However, it looks like Private Eye, as part of its own clean-up operation, is going with the "it was the Tories' fault" narrative. The mess most definitely didn't start with Maria Miller. She was an enabler, hopefully out of self-serving ignorance rather than malice, but the juggernaut was well underway at the point she got involved:

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2016-12-01/debates/D4F283FB-2C02-4C8C-8C7E-BEAB889D1425/TransgenderEquality

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nauticant · 26/04/2024 17:22

That doesn't show the text. Try this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GL7bK9qWcAE8mqO?format=jpg&name=large

nauticant · 26/04/2024 17:22

Private Eye report:

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