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Radio4 "Today" prog 22 April: Patrick Harvie (Scottish Greens)

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yetanotherusernameAgain · 22/04/2024 07:49

I caught the tail end of him being asked about the Cass Report, just before 7am.

Nick Robinson asked him repeatedly if he accepted the report's findings but Harvie cherrypicked a few of the findings to defend the TRA side (eg puberty blockers are beneficial before the age of 15) and went into a monologue saying the report has been politicised and weaponised by anti trans people who want to erase trans people's existence. Nick Robinson repeatedly asked him over his monologue if he supported the report's findings but he droned on and refused to answer.

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BonfireLady · 22/04/2024 12:41

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2024 12:23

Harvie can't be seen to support the Cass Review because the trans activists in his party would hang him out to dry.

He also can't outright condemn it, because that would be insane.

Rock/hard place.

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Who's that brilliant Scottish comedian who sings songs about the Green party on this? I can picture the video of him poking fun at Ross Greer, Patrick Harvie and others in a particularly genius example about children and gender identity.
Do you know the one I mean?

WarriorN · 22/04/2024 12:38

Lots of people stuck betwix rocks at the moment it seems

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2024 12:31

(He also can't apparently just say he hasn't read it).

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2024 12:23

AuntieAntik · 22/04/2024 09:30

Just caught this on catch up. He pressed him multiple times and got nothing clear. I feel that it is important to keep pushing at this. People nominally 'in charge' should not be allowed to undermine legitimate research not matter that they don't like the outcomes.

Harvie can't be seen to support the Cass Review because the trans activists in his party would hang him out to dry.

He also can't outright condemn it, because that would be insane.

Rock/hard place.

AGlinnerOfHope · 22/04/2024 12:15

It’s massively reassuring that the BBC is in some places at least honouring the Cass report. It’s a good start to golden bridges.

Dineasair · 22/04/2024 12:10

ArabellaScott · 22/04/2024 09:14

'This bald man is small, this one is far away'

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Haha, love it, it sums up Harvie’s intellectual ability perfectly 👌🏻

WarriorN · 22/04/2024 12:03

In more positive news, I have just seen the English Green Party's health spokesperson say that she unequivocally supports the Cass review and Anyone who misrepresents her recommendations & politicises them, is doing a grave injustice to children’s health &wellbeing

x.com/doctorpallavi/status/1781813271026188429?s=46&t=A2fpFNgDRyXF2d6ye97wEA

BonfireLady · 22/04/2024 10:31

Archived copy of Washington Post article:

https://archive.ph/HjXYo

BonfireLady · 22/04/2024 10:29

I still haven't had chance to listen but Helen Joyce quote tweeted a very apt thread about the Oedipus Trap. Patrick seems like an example of someone who could have fallen in to it:

https://twitter.com/HJoyceGender/status/1781962486603731047?t=SuW7qA9mKOt2wekJJNCgpA&s=19

Here's the article she's referring to (it's also worth reading the author's full thread if you have access to X):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/02/14/walter-freeman-lobotomy-regret/

AuntieAntik · 22/04/2024 09:30

Just caught this on catch up. He pressed him multiple times and got nothing clear. I feel that it is important to keep pushing at this. People nominally 'in charge' should not be allowed to undermine legitimate research not matter that they don't like the outcomes.

IcakethereforeIam · 22/04/2024 09:19

🤣

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ArabellaScott · 22/04/2024 09:14

IcakethereforeIam · 22/04/2024 09:05

I think the BBC were a bit mean to Harvie, placing him as they did, there's a forced perspective that makes him look absolutely weeny. Like Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis Elijah Wood as Gandalf and Gollum Frodo.

'This bald man is small, this one is far away'

lechiffre55 · 22/04/2024 09:11

IcakethereforeIam · 22/04/2024 09:05

I think the BBC were a bit mean to Harvie, placing him as they did, there's a forced perspective that makes him look absolutely weeny. Like Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis Elijah Wood as Gandalf and Gollum Frodo.

I think the perspective is a perfect metaphor for his intellectual height.

IcakethereforeIam · 22/04/2024 09:05

I think the BBC were a bit mean to Harvie, placing him as they did, there's a forced perspective that makes him look absolutely weeny. Like Ian McKellen and Andy Serkis Elijah Wood as Gandalf and Gollum Frodo.

BonfireLady · 22/04/2024 08:30

Thanks OP. Placemarking to listen.

It's a positive that Nick Robinson repeatedly pushed him on that question.

Here he is avoiding the question earlier this week too on BBC Scotland earlier this week, instead making it all about himself and the "culture wars"..

https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1781995420387778841?t=DQ-fDG058W2Y8sVk0R8r1Q&s=19

Here's my response from X to that tweet:

Ah yes. I remember his hate crime issue:

^www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/11165092/man-charged-homophobic-abuse-patrick-harvie/^

Yet again we get the conflation of the T with the LGB to create a smoke and mirrors effect about "transphobia".

The T is so firmly welded on, even though the idea of "gender identity" is a contested belief.