What would the DfE schools' guidance and policy look like under a Labour government?

Apart from the views of the Labour politicians likely to take up ministerial roles, and the civil servants who advise them, my biggest worry is what Helen Joyce identified as the need to cling on to the GI fiction if you’re an adult who has encouraged a child to believe lies, (and possibly do themselves lasting damage in the process). We could find ourselves spiralling away from Cass.

Cass makes a distinction between children and adolescents socially transitioning . The detail is on p164 of the report.
"...a more cautious approach needs to be taken with children than with adolescents."
Without puberty blockers the risk of transition for adolescents seems lower. How big will the trial be? What effect does the possibility of getting PBs or cross-sex hormones have on teenagers' interest in social transition?
The clinical trial of PBs is already being taken forward. Recommendation 6 proposes "a full programme of research" looking at characteristics, interventions and outcomes". I think the patients' stories of what influenced them to develop a trans identity might sit in here but it's not stated as such. (You could look at interventions such as school LGBT clubs/ events as interventions but I don't know if they will.)

It's no longer straightforward as it used to be. There are now so many Academies, Trusts, Faith schools, Free schools, city technology colleges and the independent sector with different structures and many easy to capture by activist groups. The relationship between LAs and the DfE has been weakened as some LAs are now responsible for very few schools.
Not sure how good the relationships between the unions and DfE are? The fact that there's been a revolving door of secretaries of state for education (10 during this government) means that few have got fully to grips with issues before they're removed.
Hopefully that Labour will be less chaotic. Bridget Philipson's held the brief since 2021 so the chances are that she's across the issues and post Cass can clearly see the problems with schools transitioning children?

Sorry just seen that you'd already mentioned teaching unions! Will read more closely next time.

I would add to this that teacher training and all the teaching unions, including the ones for Senior Leaders, are TWAW/if children say they are trans then they are. Local Authorities aren't neccessary the force for good that is being suggested on this thread either. As you can see on the thread about local authorities responding to the draft guidance and not being willing to share how they responded. There are so many battles still to fight.

My experience of civil servants in the DfE is most are very young, not parents themselves, with no teaching experience. Not necessarily ‘captured’ in the institutional sense, but from a generation where “TWAW/ T are the most marginalised/ we all have a gender identity” was pretty unchallengeable on most uni campuses.

This, combined with the gradual erasure of local authority influence and the fact that staff in schools are starved of time to properly research things outside their main curriculum responsibility, enabled the ideology to gain such a foothold (via Stonewall, Gendered Intelligence, AllSorts, DRM etc) that questioning gender identity ideology felt distinctly career limiting. The teaching and leadership unions and the Chartered College facilitated these organisations and to some extent the culture of no debate.

Apart from the views of the Labour politicians likely to take up ministerial roles, and the civil servants who advise them, my biggest worry is what Helen Joyce identified as the need to cling on to the GI fiction if you’re an adult who has encouraged a child to believe lies, (and possibly do themselves lasting damage in the process). We could find ourselves spiralling away from Cass.

I am not optimistic. I think Labour will shelve the draft guidance for gender questioning children to appease their base and then be too scared to produce a replacement, so we will be back to schools outsourcing their thinking to suspect organisations.

To be honest I'm not even hopefully of the draft guidance being accepted by most schools even if the Tories stay in power. It's non statutory and a lot of schools are entrenched in their position and won't budge.

My guess is the SEEN network in the civil service will have the receipts. I recall they submitted a multi paged complaint about political bias in the civil service - presumably well evidenced as the overreach and bullying is extensive. Trouble is it's such a massive organisation covering all aspects of public life with transactivists having been allowed to breach the Nolan Principles from day 1 and also cross departmental boundaries.

The data confirming that gay and lesbian, LAC, mentally unwell children etc being over represented in the cohort who think their sex is wrong is appalling.

There needs to be some really grown up thinking about this in the LP. There must be a balance between ensuring that children are free to explore their emerging sexuality in an age appropriate way and a school understanding that it's not their role to introduce children to particular sexual experiences.
Allowing activists to prepare SRE materials, training, model school policies despite their lack of knowledge about child development, learning etc has resulted in too many age inappropriate resources and initiatives for schools.

I'm not sure that Labour can or will return to their previous "imposed" curriculum as they did previously. But the current situation is unsustainable. Somehow we need to return the schools who have got caught up in trans extremism (and I know of many who have successfully protected children from it) to being places of learning, not indoctrination in a falsehood.

Can you expand on the point you are trying to make here? Because when I read the link about survivors of sexual abuse I just felt sorry for the victims it quoted.

Many men also said that when they were younger they had been accused of ‘inviting’ sexual abuse because they showed an interest in other men by being stereotypically ‘effeminate’.

Just really sad and shows how entrenched victim blaming is in society.

"Queer children", an activist's interpretation of the Equality Act (after Cass's interim report which told everyone about LAC and child sexual abuse in the cohort) and no consideration of self-ID:

www.iicsa.org.uk/news/lgbtq-child-sexual-abuse-victims-and-survivors-blamed-their-abuse.html

x.com/cforwomenuk/status/1598231553594867712?s=46&t=WHoOZ_3Kv5G6-FyQuvE0LQ

I'm cautiously hopeful that Cass will have a positive impact on schools in terms of finally allowing parents and staff who until now have felt too intimidated to challenge political bias and the influence of trans activism. We've finally seen open coverage in the media - including journalists at the BBC and Guardian - and I'm optimistic that the evidence in Cass will allow greater scrutiny.

I also noticed this intervention from Professor Alexis Jay who chaired the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse in England and Wales and spoke about the similarities she identified with the Rotherham enquiry into the grooming of girls. She's pointed out the similarities with the:
" issues of toxic debate and fear of professionals to speak up that let children down in Rotherham that also run through the findings in the Cass Review".

"Nothing should be done except in the child's best interests and welfare".

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scot-who-led-rotherham-inquiry-warns-of-parallels-with-cass-review

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Think I'll go with the courageous civil servants in the SEEN network rather than your frothing post Adam.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5020958-trans-rights-activists-in-civil-service-undermine-policies

Had you read my post you would see that I was talking about civil servants being the experts in the law in their area and advising politicians on what was allowed. Nothing about them being asked to break the law.

You need to report your post and ask in the report. They likely won't see your request on the thread.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/dec/22/parents-wales-lose-legal-fight-gender-sexuality-tuition-primary-schools

Mrs Justice Steyn rejected the legal challenge after a two-day hearing in Cardiff, concluding: “There is nothing in the code or the guidance that authorises or positively approves teaching that advocates or promotes any particular identity or sexual lifestyle over another, or that encourages children to self-identify in a particular way.”

She said the RSE curriculum aimed to “encourage tolerance between human beings irrespective of their sexual orientation and identity, and to enable children to deal critically with influences from society, so that they develop into responsible and emancipated citizens capable of participating in the democratic processes of a pluralistic society”. She said its introduction had been “the product of a process of careful consideration”.

I am growing increasingly alarmed that Cass/TQ is being used to target LGB awareness and take us back to section 28 days. I was at school in section 28, I know how that affected my gay friends and colleagues (most of whom didn't come out until after school). I can contrast that with how my own children and their friends are about people being gay.

Teaching children to respect other identities is a good thing. Carefully designed, thoughtful material created and administered centrally is exactly whats needed.

I don't think you have the foggiest about what civil servants do. Their role is to implement the policy of the government of the day. All this Truss-esque talk about the civil service being "captured" by trans activists is nonsense.

Of course its a necessary protection that Civil Servants shouldn't be asked to break the law, and should be able to refuse if they are asked to break the law. Can't believe anyone would advocate otherwise. Noone should be above the law.

It's outrageous.

I think SW and co, and Labour, will focus on the waiting lists as though that's the issue. It is not the issue as anyone who has read Cass will see. Doing that will provide a cover for allowing more of the TQ+ agenda in schools, or to allow it to carry on unchallenged.

And that's without what happens in the US elections and if they decide to import TQ+ wholesale.