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Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

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lechiffre55 · 19/04/2024 19:59

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

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LarkLane · 23/04/2024 14:16

The more that person posts, the more obvious it is that the poster has little understanding of the wider and complicated politics of the other countries in that part of the world.

A blame the Jews and only the Jews, any Jew will do, agenda.

callmej · 23/04/2024 14:04

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 23/04/2024 13:21

Yes exactly, when people bleat and hand wring about the Palestinians being trapped with nowhere to go, they conveniently fail to mention the land border with Egypt. Egypt doesn't want Hamas or Hamas sympathisers on their soil, because they are a massive security risk. So it's okay for Egypt to do whatever necessary to contain the problem in order to protect themselves, even if that decision is tough on innocent Palestinians, but it's completely beyond the pale for Israel to do the same thing. Confused

Yeah, I think I've asked people this before; I don't understand how Israel is blockading Palestine and keeping the population in an 'open prison' - but Egypt's not. Especially as it's been predominantly Israel who has provided Palestine with water, electricity etc. I'm not actually sure if Egypt's ever provided any sort of aid?

LarkLane · 23/04/2024 14:03

No one here is gloating over the terrible situation and loss of life in the Middle East for goodness sake! No one here is delighting in the deaths of innocent people including women and children. It's disgusting to suggest that people taking a stand against the increasing anti semitism in the UK are doing that.

Stop trying to use it to justify a mob shouting "Nazi" and "Scum" at a Jew many miles away in London.

Let's have a real FACT for FunGuyPie who is so determined to plop here and attempt to deny, blame, and turn the talk from the escalating Jew hate here in the UK.

From February's Hansard.

The Community Security Trust published its latest report on antisemitic incidents. It made for deeply disturbing reading. It showed that there were 4,103 instances of anti-Jewish racist hatred recorded across the UK in 2023. That is the highest annual total ever reported to the Community Security Trust. It is a 147% rise from the 1,662 antisemitic incidents the previous year, and 81% higher than the previous yearly record of 2,261 incidents, reported in 2021. Most shockingly, more than two thirds of the incidents reported last year occurred on or after 7 October, when Hamas perpetrated its barbaric terrorist attack on Israel. The report also indicates that antisemitism began spiking before Israel’s military response had begun: the week immediately following 7 October saw 416 antisemitic incidents reported to the CST, which is higher than any subsequent week. The Minister for Crime, Policing and Fire.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2024-02-19/debates/788C5AA8-47E6-4D42-916C-E569D0B260A5/AntisemitismInTheUK

RebelliousCow · 23/04/2024 13:29

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It is pretty desperate to try to deny such atrocities were carried out. I'm not sure why you might want to do that? Perhaps so you can continue to maintain a black and white view of the world, in which Israel has no credits to its name at all, and only debits; and where Hamas and the Palestinian leadership over the decades have no responsibility at all.

There is widespread evidence of atrocities, not only which were witnessed, but which were filmed by Hamas themselves. Leaders and journalists from around the world have viewed some of the footage, and there are multiple images to be found if you are intent on looking, along with horrifying testimonies.

Furthermore rapes and torture have been committed on the hostages, and children were given ketamine to keep them quiet.

The post mortems that are still being carried out will go on to form a body of evidence with which to hold those that perpertrated these acts to account for the atrocities they committed.

You can live in denial all you like, but it doesn't change the truth.

HeadDeskHeadDesk · 23/04/2024 13:21

Yes exactly, when people bleat and hand wring about the Palestinians being trapped with nowhere to go, they conveniently fail to mention the land border with Egypt. Egypt doesn't want Hamas or Hamas sympathisers on their soil, because they are a massive security risk. So it's okay for Egypt to do whatever necessary to contain the problem in order to protect themselves, even if that decision is tough on innocent Palestinians, but it's completely beyond the pale for Israel to do the same thing. Confused

lechiffre55 · 23/04/2024 13:17

@LadyGooGaa
I hope it's a small consolation/comfort that by far the majority on this thread, and I hope by extension tha MN board, think all Jews should be able to live their lives without any fear, wherever they like however they like with equal rights and equal respect to everyone else.

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LadyGooGaa · 23/04/2024 12:31

CantDealwithChristmas · 23/04/2024 12:01

If Israel really were committing genocide (in the true sense of the word) then you'd have thought they'd start with the 1.8 million Palestinians living and working peacefully in Israel.

After all, even Adolf started all his shit at home.

Even if the number of 30,000 is to be believed (they know their exact number of dead but don’t know where the hostages are…) then that’s 0.2% of the population. Hardly a genocide. In fact, Israel could decimate Gaza and its inhabitants in about 4 hours. They don’t because they’re not evil psychos. Israel doesn’t even want Gaza. Nobody does. Egypt closed their 5 mile border in the south because they don’t want anything to do with them.
This whole thread and discussion is horrifying. If you changed the word “Jew” to “black”, “Muslim” even “trans” then nobody would have the balls to justify or deny their experience. But it’s a free for all when Jews are concerned because apparently we run the world, control the media, commit atrocities, lie, steal, claim victim hood and colonise. Pretty impressive for 0.02% of the worlds population innit.

LadyGooGaa · 23/04/2024 12:25

quantumbutterfly · 23/04/2024 10:49

Rape denial on the feminism board? How marvellous.

Me too unless she’s a Jew

CantDealwithChristmas · 23/04/2024 12:01

fungipie · 22/04/2024 19:00

These marches are no anti-Jewish, but anti Netanyahu and the IDF and their genocide in Palestine. And this started a long long time before October 7th!

If Israel really were committing genocide (in the true sense of the word) then you'd have thought they'd start with the 1.8 million Palestinians living and working peacefully in Israel.

After all, even Adolf started all his shit at home.

CantDealwithChristmas · 23/04/2024 11:59

MarieDeGournay · 23/04/2024 11:10

Being Irish, I'm very familiar with this spiral of 'whataboutery'. There's always somebody else's atrocity to point at while downplaying your own, always a cherry-picking of historical fact.
Some historical facts are incontrovertible, and in these days of phone footage, live streaming, and a range of different news channels covering the same incidents, it's just about possible for a reasonable person to get past the propaganda and get a reasonably objective set of facts which are not all from one side. It doesn't happen a lot, especially in the Israel-Palestine dilemma, but it's possible.
Most people in Ireland accepted that everybody North and South is a human being, and that, unfortunately and unfairly, [incontrovertible historical facts exist] 'we are where we are' and sometimes you just have to accept the status quo, stop killing, and start from here, not from where you would like to be starting from, or feel historically justified in starting from.
There's nothing special about the Irish, so if we can do it, is féidir/it's possible elsewhere.

I agree, but unfortunately, Palestinian children in Hamas-controlled schools are literally taught that Jewish people are NOT human. So that's their starting point.

callmej · 23/04/2024 11:20

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You are aware that Al Jazeera is the hamas mouth-piece? Primarily funded by Qatar, they openly support hamas, Iran and hezbollah. Why on earth would you think that's an appropriate source? I assume if you are happy to accept an openly pro-hamas media source you will be just as trusting of an openly pro-Israeli media source, so here's an article from the Jerusalem Post to prove it: Al Jazeera is an inflammatory propaganda channel that must be shut down - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com).

Or just check out some of the vast number of impartial sources from all across the world going back many years, it's hardly a secret.

(Also important to point out that unlike Al Jazeera, the Jerusalem Post has not ever been accused of propaganda and is actually regarded as a very reliable news source.)

Shuttering Al Jazeera is crucial and the decision is better late than never - opinion

Al Jazeera not only fans the coals of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict but even provides the matches to light the fire.

https://www.jpost.com/opinion/article-796629

MarieDeGournay · 23/04/2024 11:10

Being Irish, I'm very familiar with this spiral of 'whataboutery'. There's always somebody else's atrocity to point at while downplaying your own, always a cherry-picking of historical fact.
Some historical facts are incontrovertible, and in these days of phone footage, live streaming, and a range of different news channels covering the same incidents, it's just about possible for a reasonable person to get past the propaganda and get a reasonably objective set of facts which are not all from one side. It doesn't happen a lot, especially in the Israel-Palestine dilemma, but it's possible.
Most people in Ireland accepted that everybody North and South is a human being, and that, unfortunately and unfairly, [incontrovertible historical facts exist] 'we are where we are' and sometimes you just have to accept the status quo, stop killing, and start from here, not from where you would like to be starting from, or feel historically justified in starting from.
There's nothing special about the Irish, so if we can do it, is féidir/it's possible elsewhere.

EdithStourton · 23/04/2024 10:53

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Oh, okay, so I didn't see that poor young woman Na'ama Levy being hauled out of a truck in Gaza with cuts to her ankles and blood all over her crotch. And she was never taken hostage, it was all a set-up job by the wicked Jews.

Honestly, you disgust me (edited to add, perhaps I should say that your behaviour disgusts me; perhaps you are just naive). You also are very exercised about the dispossession of the Palestinians without appearing to have a clue about the history of the Jews in the Arab lands. Many of them fled with what they stood up in and a suitcase.

And NONE of this takes away from the fact that Gideon Falter demonstrated that there is active and aggressive antisemitism running through those marches like Brighton through a stick of rock.

quantumbutterfly · 23/04/2024 10:49

Rape denial on the feminism board? How marvellous.

LadyGooGaa · 23/04/2024 10:49

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Lies? Ok. Jews lying about mass rape? I see. Thank you for showing your truth.

fungipie · 23/04/2024 10:36

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LadyGooGaa · 23/04/2024 10:08

fungipie · 23/04/2024 10:06

Read the above, and see what it is

We were discussing hate crime . . . Not Netanyahu

Read the above and tell me if this is not hate crime we should be acknowledging and discussing.

What will happen to the illegal settlements which were never ever meant to be part of the 1948 agreed settlements. ILLEGAL and so so cruelly taken. Where is the right of Palestinians to protect themselves?

I think you’re a bit obsessed.

fungipie · 23/04/2024 10:07

LadyGooGaa · 23/04/2024 10:05

No point arguing with you. You obviously know how Jews feel and that you feel you can argue with a Jew about what is or isn’t racist, and have seen first hand what is going on in the region. Best wishes.

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I am not 'arguing'. The above article was shared to me by Jewish friends who were born and bred in Israel and lived there for over 50 years- and have all their family there.

fungipie · 23/04/2024 10:06

Read the above, and see what it is

We were discussing hate crime . . . Not Netanyahu

Read the above and tell me if this is not hate crime we should be acknowledging and discussing.

What will happen to the illegal settlements which were never ever meant to be part of the 1948 agreed settlements. ILLEGAL and so so cruelly taken. Where is the right of Palestinians to protect themselves?

LadyGooGaa · 23/04/2024 10:05

fungipie · 23/04/2024 10:02

LadyGooGa, I will not respond to your accusations of racism. This is not about race, at all. This is about one people being dispossessed of their land and rights, oppressed in so many ways, and for such a long time. And now obliterated by this so called 'war'.

One man is being asked to avoid a certain area at a certain sensitive time, to protect him and to avoid confrontation and escalation. The policeman, in a difficult situation, tried to protect him and went about it, in the heat and stress of the moment, in a bit of a cake handed way.

In the meantime, Palestinians, huge numbers are being bombed, starved, oppressed in so many ways, large numbers children, in Gaza. But it pales into insignificance re that man being told to stay away from the march, for his own safety. And all over the rest of Palestine and the West Bank- Palestinians, boys, men and others too, are being intimidated, their land stolen and their livelihood destroyed, their olive groves and farmland burnt and destroyed, and if they dare complain, they get beaten and even shot in the back or the head. With the IDF closing a blind eye, or even approving, or even helping. But that is NOT racist, is it? Of course not.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/israel-settlers-violence-against-palestine-west-bank

No point arguing with you. You obviously know how Jews feel and that you feel you can argue with a Jew about what is or isn’t racist, and have seen first hand what is going on in the region. Best wishes.

fungipie · 23/04/2024 10:02

LadyGooGa, I will not respond to your accusations of racism. This is not about race, at all. This is about one people being dispossessed of their land and rights, oppressed in so many ways, and for such a long time. And now obliterated by this so called 'war'.

One man is being asked to avoid a certain area at a certain sensitive time, to protect him and to avoid confrontation and escalation. The policeman, in a difficult situation, tried to protect him and went about it, in the heat and stress of the moment, in a bit of a cake handed way.

In the meantime, Palestinians, huge numbers are being bombed, starved, oppressed in so many ways, large numbers children, in Gaza. But it pales into insignificance re that man being told to stay away from the march, for his own safety. And all over the rest of Palestine and the West Bank- Palestinians, boys, men and others too, are being intimidated, their land stolen and their livelihood destroyed, their olive groves and farmland burnt and destroyed, and if they dare complain, they get beaten and even shot in the back or the head. With the IDF closing a blind eye, or even approving, or even helping. But that is NOT racist, is it? Of course not.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/israel-settlers-violence-against-palestine-west-bank

Settler violence against Palestinians in the West Bank – visualized

International attention is on Gaza – but attacks by Israelis who live on Palestinian land have been increasing

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/israel-settlers-violence-against-palestine-west-bank

lechiffre55 · 23/04/2024 10:00

Thre's one really vivid image from the October 7th massacre that will stick with me forever. The Body of a young woman sripped naked draped over the front bonnet of like a truck. Terrorists all over the vehicle, I think one even had his feet resting on the body of the naked woman. It reminded me of a deer draped over an american hunter's bonnet. It was clear from that photos they felt no humanity towards her, than she was less than an animal to them. I dread to think what else they had done to her. It wasn't clear if she was alive or dead.
I remember in the aftermath one father praying that his missing child was dead that the child might be spared what they would have to endure if they were still alive. For a parent to hope their child is dead I can't imagine how much that must feel like.

And then you get the genuis squad coming along to explain to us how both it never happened, and was a conspiracy, and "FACT.", and all the rest. I remember LOJ "where's the video of the rapes then?" and if you had produced the videos of the rapes I'm sure that would just be met by "well if they videoed it, they knew it was going to happen, so that proves it was a set up".
Some people are just utterly lost.

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HeadDeskHeadDesk · 23/04/2024 09:42

lechiffre55 · 22/04/2024 22:56

I see a post got deleted. Im not questioning that in the slightest, but sometimes its very powerful when they tell you who they are. Everyone gets to see it.
I know project let them speak is about the debate over gender critical beliefs and conflicts around women's rights but it seems to apply to anti-semitism too.

I agree. Sometimes these posts are better left to stand. I'd rather see a person exposed for who they really are, than be left in doubt by a deletion message.

lechiffre55 · 22/04/2024 22:56

I see a post got deleted. Im not questioning that in the slightest, but sometimes its very powerful when they tell you who they are. Everyone gets to see it.
I know project let them speak is about the debate over gender critical beliefs and conflicts around women's rights but it seems to apply to anti-semitism too.

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