Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

What a out the other 80% of Arabs who are forced to live in a concentration camps?
Palestinians don't count?

Deflection and namecalling, is that what's used as arguments round here?

Gods look at this idiot, who has zero clue that Israeli Arabs are 20% of the population with equal rights.
Meanwhile none of these humane anti-zionists have as much of a word of sympathy for the kidnapped and possibly raped French Jewish woman.
Because Jews don't count.

Hi, I don't think Isreal-as an ethno state established by extream violence in a place with a native population not of the favored ethnicity -should exist, no.
Can I ask if you think Arabs are human beings with the same rights as other human beings?

The question about the difference between Zionism and antisemitism is a VERY very complicated and multifaceted one. The official debate in the video has 4 experts with huge experience and knowledge. 2 saying that both are the same, and 2 saying that they are very different and not linked (although they can be in some cases). There is NO way this can be resumed in a few sentences. Don't watch of course if you don't want to. And if I gave a summary, you would not trust or believe me.

Far too complex, and far too important, for a non expert like me to summarise, that would be really stupid indeed.

Far too complex for me to do so in my own words. And I am no historian nor specialist. Don't bother to watch this truly informed and balanced debate, very well chaired and with a very mixed audience. There is no was I could present all the points made in the debate in a few words of my own. And you wouldn't trust or believe me either.

Watch or don't watch. But don't accuse me of antisemitism or racism.

I'd rather you explained in your own words. People could then debate or discuss your points. I don't have time to sit and watch random videos that people post - certainly not when they are that long. I don't normally post you tube vids, myself - the one I posted earlier is about 4 minutes long and encapsulates the issues with pro Palestinian marchers and disguised anti semitism hiding behind anti zionist rhetoric. It featured a marcher in her own words.

i have taken the trouble to understand the history of the Jews, of Israel and the history of anti semitism because I was sick and tired of utterly one sided views on the conflict. We all tend to know what the anti Israel arguments are because they are well documented and well supported and vocalised and have been for years. What is less documented is the other side of the story.

No one side has total responsibility for anything. -which is how anti Israel arguments tend to get framed - with hyperbolic arguments that lack in awareness of even some of the most obvious historical facts or events.
I'm countering that.

By 'against Zionism', do you mean you don't think Israel should exist?

No, I would be told I am biased and that I don't know what I am talking about.

This debate was in 2019 btw- so way before october 7th. It airs the pov of both sides, in a very informative way- much better than I could ever do. It amazes me that some people have strong views about this 'conflict' - and yet are not prepared to read and listen about the very real issues.

Rebellious cow, did you watch the debate? Or is your mind too closed to even be prepared to listen.

I haven't read the full thread so apologies if this has already been mentioned

I'm not Jewish but have been shocked and horrified by the antisemitism that's happening. Regarding the Met Police, and relevant to a thread on the feminist board, I'm concerned about Jewish domestic abuse victims. I have a family member who's been through domestic abuse. I dread to think how difficult it must be for Jewish victims in this current climate. How will they feel safe to report to the police, particularly the Met, after the incident discussed in this thread? I also could be wrong and correct me if I am, but I think that Jewish Women's Aid was the only domestic abuse charity that put out a statement condemning the Hamas terrorist attacks on Israel in October. Despite these being largely directed at women and included mass rapes. As someone who is not Jewish but with family experience of domestic abuse, this upset and horrified me. I don't know what I'd do if I was a Jewish DA victim. I doubt I'd trust the Met Police especially after this latest incident, and I don't know what to think about the domestic abuse charities either.

For someone who claims neutraility you certainly seem to have bought into some pretty malefic conspiracy theories and denials...such as denying that the atrocities of October 7th even happened; using words such 'genocide' and so on.

I'm neither Jewish nor Israeli - and yes, I can see the blatant anti semitic undertones and even the outright blatant anti semitic rhetoric that is passing itself off as enlightened and/or informed debate.

An hour and twenty minutes long? No thanks.

Can't you explain in your own words?

Happy to help. Here is a very interesting debate which explains it all, with 4 people putting their pov and facts forwards and a vote at the end. A bit long, but so worth listening to from beg to end.

BTW, may I point out that I am neither a Palestinian or a Muslim, nor an Israeli or a Jew. Or any other faith. And I have no direct interest in either side, just trying to understand how it happened and why. And even more importantly, where what will happen 'after' this terrible war ends.

Because at the moment, the conflict is at massive risk of escalating- and the next stage will not be about Israel, Jews, Muslims or Palestine. If Netanyahu causes the conflict to escalate, and with the massive proliferation of nuclear arms over the past 50+ years- we are all done for, wherever we stand.

Do people believe that one had to be German or a Jew, to see what was happening in Germany and Poland in the 30s and 40s, and to try and counter German and even French propaganda about Jews being baby eaters, and worse? Many closed their eyes when they knew- don't rock the boat, don't listen to left - just keep quiet. This is what many in my parents generation were told. The Daily Mail and much of the UK Press too.

A young person asks questions of an older woman carrying a handwritten sign, and she immediately wants to know if he's Jewish/Zionist? Says it all really.
The rising level of paranoia from her too at being asked about her views.

Gutsy young chap isn't he?

I'd say she is typical of many/most of the marchers.

Oh dear. Do you think she counts as a useful idiot- she doesn't seem to hold very well thought through views, especially when compared to a 12 year old boy....embarrassing.

She also propagates conspiracy thinking - that it was Israel that funded Hamas, or created them - because for these people Israel can only be bad; inherently bad, and without redeeming features. Zionism ( the state of Israel) is supposed to represent the epitome of everything the Left hates, and it can be allowed no credits

This you tube video shows a 12 year old boy interviewing a Pro-Palestine marcher at one of the demonstrations. See how she slips between " Are you Jewish?" to " Are you a Zionist?"

The suspect, according to Le Parisien, sent text messages to the victim's mother and ex-boyfriend, telling the former partner that he wanted to "avenge Palestine."
“Good luck, you will never find your daughter again, you will never see her again, I will prostitute your daughter,” the suspect allegedly texted the victim's mother according to Le Parisien.

I've not seen anyone claiming to be anti semitic but anti zionist directly condemn any of this horrific violent shit. Instead it's a constant listing of what is wrong with Israel and whataboutery.

@datcherygrateful I try to be careful with my phrasing so use «most» and «many» to show that I don’t imply «all» in a region.

Am on phone, so massive blocks of text not possible.
No, no countries are a monolith.

@EdithStourton yes I agree, the British Empire didn’t cause schisms in the population, but they did know how to use it to their advantage. As all aggressors do, really.

Can you explain why you are so passionately anti-zionist?

The reason a lot of European Jews opposed Zionism in the 1800s and 1900's was because they wanted to be included as full and equal citizens of the countries in which they were living. There had always been accusations of Jewish dual loyalty or disloyalty - whereby Jews were seen as being a community unto themsleves who had no affiliation or historic ties to the host societies. These sorts of sentiments ( wanting to be included as equal citizens) were also behind the early Communist thinking.

However, it never quite seemd to work out for them did it? Any sign of national stress or tension and the Jews would be packed off into ghettos, or forbidden from participating in certain occupations, forbidden from voting, not allowed free movement - that was right across Europe. It was no wonder the Zionist dream took off - or why it still persists.

I'm totally against Zionism but am not at all anti-Semitic.
I'm totally against gender ideology but am not at all against anyone presenting, living, loving however they choose totally free from any kind of discrimination, harassment or intimidation.

It doesn't stop those ultra orthodox Jews from living in Israel, though, does it - nor claiming financial support from the state? The reason they oppose 'Zionism' (in principal though they benefit from it in practice) is because they believe that God will ordain when Zion is to be created, not mankind.