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Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

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lechiffre55 · 19/04/2024 19:59

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

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fungipie · 24/04/2024 19:43

Ilan Pappé is a professor at the University of Exeter. He was formerly a senior lecturer in political science at the University of Haifa. He is the author of The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, The Modern Middle East, A History of Modern Palestine: One Land, Two Peoples, and Ten Myths about Israel. He is the co-editor, with Ramzy Baroud of ‘Our Vision for Liberation.’ Pappé is described as one of Israel’s ‘New Historians’ who, since the release of pertinent British and Israeli government documents in the early 1980s, have been rewriting the history of Israel’s creation in 1948.

https://www.amazon.com/Our-Vision-Liberation-Palestinian-Intellectuals/dp/1949762440?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-womens-rights-5058248-is-openly-jewish-a-hate-crime-under-the-april-fools-scottish-hate-crime-law

LarkLane · 24/04/2024 19:42

fungipie. Perhaps AdamRyan on here might want to listen to your lengthy youtuber if you give Adamself a shout up. You seem to have a great deal in common re sources.

fungipie · 24/04/2024 19:39

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:26

No, but I will def give it a listen at the weekend.

3 Jews and 1 non (British of 'arabic' descent) - answering the question 'is anti Zionism the same as anti-semtisim. 2 Jewish representative say 'yes, with their pov, and Ilan Papé, born and bred jew, says no- as well as the 4th participants. Followed by a discussion and questions from the pblic and a vote- which turns out to be hugely in favour of the NO.

Really worth listening to for a balanced and full explanation, from different povs. Strange really that some here want to shut debate, and throw insults about being ignorant, biaised, antisemitic and even racist- but are not prepared to listen to 'experts' in their own right, giving full and complex facts and perception. But it is a very well known tactic which is used so much- any debate and just shout 'antisemitic' and report to admin as such. It has been used for a very long time and described in the debate. Ilan Pappé knows this very well as he has been accused of being a self hating Jew and traitor for a very long time.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:36

Happy to explain anything. What information are you lacking?

That Arabs and other nonwhite people are human exactly the same way we are?
That Palestine was a populated land with its own history and culture?
That women and children were raped and murdered to cleanse the land?
That it's still going on today?

LarkLane · 24/04/2024 19:32

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:26

No, but I will def give it a listen at the weekend.

Lol.
You can explain it all to the rest of us first thing on Monday then, seeing as presently yourself and fungipie dont seem able to explain things in your own words.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:26

No, but I will def give it a listen at the weekend.

fungipie · 24/04/2024 19:24

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:10

Read some history, may I suggest illan pape, there was a whole population that have been there since ancient times.

did you watch the debate I linked to above, with Ilan Pape?

fungipie · 24/04/2024 19:23

And Australia and Tasmania- all over the world indeed.

fungipie · 24/04/2024 19:22

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:10

Read some history, may I suggest illan pape, there was a whole population that have been there since ancient times.

Ilan Pape is one of the 4 in the debate on zionism versus antisemitism video I linked to. A Jew and historian of international repute.

They said the same about all the African countries when colonised, including South Africa, or and America- that it was 'empty' and didn't have a native resident population. All part of the propaganda.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:22

I have a theory that the gender critical movement has been groomed by the Isreal loby.
I went to a quite exclusive gc event once (tried to chat up prof Jane Clair jones 😂) but anyway, I was cornered by a woman who insisted on grilling me on my views on Isreal.
I have to confess I was a cowerd and kept my mouth shut, just gave her a lecture on the evils of anti Semitism. She just rolled her eyes at this which surprised me.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:13

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 19:02

Do you feel the same about the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand or just Israel?

Why are there not marches for the US to be given back to its natives?

Native population is subjective. Arabs in the West Bank must surely be Jordanians and in Gaza, Egyptians by that reasoning? After all they were their territories.

You need to fact check history (and your spelling) as to where the extreme violence came from.

About the violence, the numbers of dead women and children seem to back me up here.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:11

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 19:02

Do you feel the same about the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand or just Israel?

Why are there not marches for the US to be given back to its natives?

Native population is subjective. Arabs in the West Bank must surely be Jordanians and in Gaza, Egyptians by that reasoning? After all they were their territories.

You need to fact check history (and your spelling) as to where the extreme violence came from.

Sorry about the spelling, I'm very dyslexic.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:10

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 19:02

Do you feel the same about the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand or just Israel?

Why are there not marches for the US to be given back to its natives?

Native population is subjective. Arabs in the West Bank must surely be Jordanians and in Gaza, Egyptians by that reasoning? After all they were their territories.

You need to fact check history (and your spelling) as to where the extreme violence came from.

Read some history, may I suggest illan pape, there was a whole population that have been there since ancient times.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:08

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 19:02

Do you feel the same about the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand or just Israel?

Why are there not marches for the US to be given back to its natives?

Native population is subjective. Arabs in the West Bank must surely be Jordanians and in Gaza, Egyptians by that reasoning? After all they were their territories.

You need to fact check history (and your spelling) as to where the extreme violence came from.

If the other countries were currently enacting their colunlism, then yes, I would be shouting and screaming about it. Wouldn't you?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:05

deragod · 24/04/2024 18:59

I think you are trolling, but I will take it seriously.

There is no ethnicity know as European. Nations, but not ethnicities.
Next, there is cultural heritage predating islamic in the region that is systematically destroyed. There is literally only a wall left in Jerusalem.

Btw. The name of the city - Jerusalem is frequently used in religious texts (I won't be getting into debate about judaism as it is complicated). Try to find Jerusalem mentioned in Quran.

It's sad you think I'm trolling, echo chamber much.
There is no such as European ethnicity? Nonsense.
To argue that you ancestors (highly disputed that European Jews actually have historic Middle Eastern ancestory) lived in a certain place thousands of years ago, therefore you have the right to ethnically cleanse and murder the current population is an insult to arguments.

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 19:02

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:18

Hi, I don't think Isreal-as an ethno state established by extream violence in a place with a native population not of the favored ethnicity -should exist, no.
Can I ask if you think Arabs are human beings with the same rights as other human beings?

Do you feel the same about the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand or just Israel?

Why are there not marches for the US to be given back to its natives?

Native population is subjective. Arabs in the West Bank must surely be Jordanians and in Gaza, Egyptians by that reasoning? After all they were their territories.

You need to fact check history (and your spelling) as to where the extreme violence came from.

deragod · 24/04/2024 18:59

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:53

How exactly is someone genetically European, who's family have lived in Europe or America since forever is native to the Middle East?

I think you are trolling, but I will take it seriously.

There is no ethnicity know as European. Nations, but not ethnicities.
Next, there is cultural heritage predating islamic in the region that is systematically destroyed. There is literally only a wall left in Jerusalem.

Btw. The name of the city - Jerusalem is frequently used in religious texts (I won't be getting into debate about judaism as it is complicated). Try to find Jerusalem mentioned in Quran.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:55

So no response then?

Ok 👍

ArabellaScott · 24/04/2024 18:54

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:53

How exactly is someone genetically European, who's family have lived in Europe or America since forever is native to the Middle East?

Mikky, you need to go and read a bit of history. If you really are presenting this as an argument.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:53

How exactly is someone genetically European, who's family have lived in Europe or America since forever is native to the Middle East?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:51

deragod · 24/04/2024 18:49

Do you know that Jews are native population?

How exactly?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:50

I also think Jews have the right to live in their own native countries without racism or discrimination too.

deragod · 24/04/2024 18:49

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:47

Jews should have every right to live in Palistine, as equal citizens with the native population.

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Do you know that Jews are native population?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:47

Jews should have every right to live in Palistine, as equal citizens with the native population.

ArabellaScott · 24/04/2024 18:39

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:18

Hi, I don't think Isreal-as an ethno state established by extream violence in a place with a native population not of the favored ethnicity -should exist, no.
Can I ask if you think Arabs are human beings with the same rights as other human beings?

Yes, I think Arabs are human beings with the same rights as everyone else. My heart breaks for every civilian caught in this godawful war.

Where do you propose Jews should go, if they aren't to live in Israel?

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