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Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

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lechiffre55 · 19/04/2024 19:59

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

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MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:26

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RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:25

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:22

I have a theory that the gender critical movement has been groomed by the Isreal loby.
I went to a quite exclusive gc event once (tried to chat up prof Jane Clair jones 😂) but anyway, I was cornered by a woman who insisted on grilling me on my views on Isreal.
I have to confess I was a cowerd and kept my mouth shut, just gave her a lecture on the evils of anti Semitism. She just rolled her eyes at this which surprised me.

Oh my goodness.....the conspiracy theories do multiply when the arguments are found lacking.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:25

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:23

Ilan Pappe is a self proclaimed, post modernist historian, whose grasp of facts has been much critiqued by other historians. As a post modernist he is all about the narrative, not believing that there are ever any ever concrete truths.

It has been said of Pappe that: "Pappe is just telling stories with villains (zionists in this case) and heroes. Morris ( Historian Benny Morris) writes what he found to be truth (at least, it is his intention… people are not perfect), while Pappe at best writes what he “hopes” to be truth".......Ilan Peppe is not trying to write about history, he is writing about a narrative, the narrative of the Palestinians. He is an ideologue.

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Rubbish, his work around the nakba is sourced on isrealiedocuments and testimonials from Jewish men involved in the raping and killing.

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:23

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:10

Read some history, may I suggest illan pape, there was a whole population that have been there since ancient times.

Ilan Pappe is a self proclaimed, post modernist historian, whose grasp of facts has been much critiqued by other historians. As a post modernist he is all about the narrative, not believing that there are ever any ever concrete truths.

It has been said of Pappe that: "Pappe is just telling stories with villains (zionists in this case) and heroes. Morris ( Historian Benny Morris) writes what he found to be truth (at least, it is his intention… people are not perfect), while Pappe at best writes what he “hopes” to be truth".......Ilan Peppe is not trying to write about history, he is writing about a narrative, the narrative of the Palestinians. He is an ideologue.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:16

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:14

Lousy, unevidenced non arguments.

Tell me how, otherwise that's just an insult.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:15

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RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:14

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 18:18

Hi, I don't think Isreal-as an ethno state established by extream violence in a place with a native population not of the favored ethnicity -should exist, no.
Can I ask if you think Arabs are human beings with the same rights as other human beings?

Lousy, unevidenced non arguments.

25milesfromhome · 24/04/2024 20:13

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:22

I have a theory that the gender critical movement has been groomed by the Isreal loby.
I went to a quite exclusive gc event once (tried to chat up prof Jane Clair jones 😂) but anyway, I was cornered by a woman who insisted on grilling me on my views on Isreal.
I have to confess I was a cowerd and kept my mouth shut, just gave her a lecture on the evils of anti Semitism. She just rolled her eyes at this which surprised me.

That was a wild ride.

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:13

fungipie · 24/04/2024 18:14

The question about the difference between Zionism and antisemitism is a VERY very complicated and multifaceted one. The official debate in the video has 4 experts with huge experience and knowledge. 2 saying that both are the same, and 2 saying that they are very different and not linked (although they can be in some cases). There is NO way this can be resumed in a few sentences. Don't watch of course if you don't want to. And if I gave a summary, you would not trust or believe me.

Far too complex, and far too important, for a non expert like me to summarise, that would be really stupid indeed.

It is not complex. It simply requires you to have a grasp of the issue. You don't appear to, quite like many other people on those marches who argue so vociferously, but when their points are unpacked or critiqued, collapse in a heap.

ArabellaScott · 24/04/2024 20:12

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Can you engage without childish rhetoric? There is absolutely no need to be antagonistic or aggressive in your responses.

I'm happy to read as many sources as seem potentially useful/credible.

I googled 'Illan Pappe' and am now reading about him, and I thought the article by Benny Morris seems interesting given their shared history.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:11

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:06

If you cannot condense the discussion, or pick out its essential arguments and then put them into your won words - it might well be suggestive of you not really having an understanding or a grasp of those issues yourself?

Your actual own words ,though, so far, have given a very clear indication of your position. Denial of atrocities, accusations of wilful genocide and various other conspiracy type thinking. You have shown no empathy, nor consideration of the Israeli position at all.

You cannot really expect busy people to take over an hour out of their day to watch a video that someone has posted. Many people now tend to post videos or other clips in place of their own considered arguments. Nobody has the time for that. This is a discussion board.

Ok, so watch it yourself, it's not a hard watch.
Maybe we've got it all wrong and you can tell us?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:09

Hélène79 · 24/04/2024 20:05

(((The Israel lobby))). Who exactly are this elusive Israel lobby, as if I couldn't guess.

I have to confess I was a cowerd and kept my mouth shut, just gave her a lecture on the evils of anti Semitism. She just rolled her eyes at this which surprised me.

You claim to have given someone a lecture on antisemitism and then you start stanning for Ilan Pappé, so imagine our surprise to hear someone "rolled her eyes" at you.

You may find 'the Isreal lobby' by John meirshimer helpful.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:06

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RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:06

fungipie · 24/04/2024 17:23

Far too complex for me to do so in my own words. And I am no historian nor specialist. Don't bother to watch this truly informed and balanced debate, very well chaired and with a very mixed audience. There is no was I could present all the points made in the debate in a few words of my own. And you wouldn't trust or believe me either.

Watch or don't watch. But don't accuse me of antisemitism or racism.

If you cannot condense the discussion, or pick out its essential arguments and then put them into your won words - it might well be suggestive of you not really having an understanding or a grasp of those issues yourself?

Your actual own words ,though, so far, have given a very clear indication of your position. Denial of atrocities, accusations of wilful genocide and various other conspiracy type thinking. You have shown no empathy, nor consideration of the Israeli position at all.

You cannot really expect busy people to take over an hour out of their day to watch a video that someone has posted. Many people now tend to post videos or other clips in place of their own considered arguments. Nobody has the time for that. This is a discussion board.

Hélène79 · 24/04/2024 20:05

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:22

I have a theory that the gender critical movement has been groomed by the Isreal loby.
I went to a quite exclusive gc event once (tried to chat up prof Jane Clair jones 😂) but anyway, I was cornered by a woman who insisted on grilling me on my views on Isreal.
I have to confess I was a cowerd and kept my mouth shut, just gave her a lecture on the evils of anti Semitism. She just rolled her eyes at this which surprised me.

(((The Israel lobby))). Who exactly are this elusive Israel lobby, as if I couldn't guess.

I have to confess I was a cowerd and kept my mouth shut, just gave her a lecture on the evils of anti Semitism. She just rolled her eyes at this which surprised me.

You claim to have given someone a lecture on antisemitism and then you start stanning for Ilan Pappé, so imagine our surprise to hear someone "rolled her eyes" at you.

ArabellaScott · 24/04/2024 20:02

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:59

And?

You know that just saying khamas! I sent an argumen for or against anything right?

I'll raise you a Moumou!

I'm sorry, what?

I hadn't heard of this chap, two posters have sung his praises, I'm looking for information on him.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:01

LarkLane · 24/04/2024 19:51

Best get listening to that youtuber then Milky, you haven't watched it yet.
There's a test on Monday to see if you have paid attention.
llan Pape is invigilating, so you might do ok.

Ffs grow up love.
If there is anything you want to ask me, please don't wait till Monday.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:59

And?

You know that just saying khamas! I sent an argumen for or against anything right?

I'll raise you a Moumou!

LarkLane · 24/04/2024 19:51

Best get listening to that youtuber then Milky, you haven't watched it yet.
There's a test on Monday to see if you have paid attention.
llan Pape is invigilating, so you might do ok.

quantumbutterfly · 24/04/2024 19:51

Well I've learned a lot from some thoughtful posters on here, I hope they come back at some point.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:47

It actually breaks my heart when I see gc women thinking exactly like those blinkered by ideology.
It's really depressing tbh.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:45

Iliad pape is a world renowned historian, please grow up a bit.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:44

LarkLane · 24/04/2024 19:42

fungipie. Perhaps AdamRyan on here might want to listen to your lengthy youtuber if you give Adamself a shout up. You seem to have a great deal in common re sources.

Please don't embarrasse yourself with such piss poor arguments.

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