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Is "openly Jewish" a hate crime under the April Fools Scottish hate crime law?

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lechiffre55 · 19/04/2024 19:59

A Metropolitan police officer threatened to arrest a man for being "Openly Jewish" in London. Is this a hate crime in Scotland under the new hate crime laws?

I think it is. Could someone report it for me please I find it incredibly offensive and racist. I want to see what happens when Scottish Police try to get involved with racist actions taken by the Metropolitan Police.

https://twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1781393179683483960

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EdithStourton · 25/04/2024 01:20

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 21:02

I know the history of the region very well.

Do you?
Then why the lack of concern for the Jews ethnically cleansed from the Arab states?
Why talk about 'white colonialism' when so many Israelis are very obviously non-white (all those former Iraqis, Syrians, Egyptians, Ethiopians etc)?
Why lap up antisemitic tropes about the 'Israel lobby'? Weren't you the poster who said it had been grooming GC feminists?

What with @fungipie denying the extent of the Hamas rapes and you coming out with conspiracy theories about wicked international Jewry poisoning the minds of GC feminists, I can see exactly why Gideon Falter felt that there is a lot of antisemitism tucked up in those marches...

Showing us who you are, alright.

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 22:49

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 22:20

Most fled for their lives during the nakba in 1948.

Apologies. I got muddled up with which war. There’s been so many in such a relatively short time! I meant the Arab-Israeli war of 1948 which was declared on Israel on the day of its inception.

I’ve read accounts from both sides.

The article below seems to give the most comprehensive opposing view and is very interesting.

https://honestreporting.com/the-nakba-narrative-a-history-of-deception/

The Nakba Narrative: A History of Deception | HonestReporting

A look at the Palestinian Nakba narrative and how it moved from the sidelines to becoming the dominant discourse throughout the Western world.

https://honestreporting.com/the-nakba-narrative-a-history-of-deception/

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 22:20

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 22:01

I thought Palestinians were in neighbouring countries because many fled there during the 6 day war (1967) expecting that (at the behest or Arab leaders) Israel would be defeated and they would return?

Most fled for their lives during the nakba in 1948.

SpecialOPs · 24/04/2024 22:01

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 21:04

Palestinians are in neighboring countries because they were violently ethnically cleansed, so now the rest can go too?
Is that your argument?

I thought Palestinians were in neighbouring countries because many fled there during the 6 day war (1967) expecting that (at the behest or Arab leaders) Israel would be defeated and they would return?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 21:05

You know that's racist right?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 21:04

Palestinians are in neighboring countries because they were violently ethnically cleansed, so now the rest can go too?
Is that your argument?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 21:02

I know the history of the region very well.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 21:01

The nabouring countries are not going to enable ethnic cleansing, why should they. Its white colonialism, why do you think they are going to go along with that?

turbonerd · 24/04/2024 20:58

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:52

I'm not sure what your saying? Millions of Palestine are also here?
Should we not be advocating for solutions that will suit everyone?

I believe a two-state solution was on the table for a long time, but rejected by PLO, and rejected by Hamas.

Now not on the cards anymore.

Israel is currently under attack from Hamas (Gaza), Hezbollah (Libanon) and Iran.

Palestinians are in Gaza, The West Bank, Syria, Libanon and Jordan.
Do Libanon and Syria and Jordan wish to donate a few acres?

I recommend you read the whole thread, there’s a lot of ground already covered regarding the History of the region.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:55

turbonerd · 24/04/2024 20:48

But, again MikkyMo. Israel as a nation state IS here. Drawn up by the UN after ww2.
Sure, the British, French, Americans and others had their own designs on the area which was put in the mix. But there it is.

USA should be split up into its original nation states. The Sápmi should be a nation state taking chunks out of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. Kurdistan should be a nation state (53 million Kurds without a state to call their own).

This would cause immense conflict and bloodshed, even though perhaps it would be morally correct. I am not advocating for any of this necessarily, just drawing comparisons.

Israel exists - going on 74 years now.
Peaceful solutions are necessary.
To attack by stealth, break ceasefire (repeatedly if I’m not mistaken), refuse to exchange the hostages - not great peaceful diplomacy by any stretch of the imagination.

Did you know that when you count up death tolls, more Palestine are killed during times they are not trying to defend themselves compared to times when they are actively trying to fight back?
They tried peaceful restance in the Great March of return, and were shot down in the thousands

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:52

turbonerd · 24/04/2024 20:48

But, again MikkyMo. Israel as a nation state IS here. Drawn up by the UN after ww2.
Sure, the British, French, Americans and others had their own designs on the area which was put in the mix. But there it is.

USA should be split up into its original nation states. The Sápmi should be a nation state taking chunks out of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. Kurdistan should be a nation state (53 million Kurds without a state to call their own).

This would cause immense conflict and bloodshed, even though perhaps it would be morally correct. I am not advocating for any of this necessarily, just drawing comparisons.

Israel exists - going on 74 years now.
Peaceful solutions are necessary.
To attack by stealth, break ceasefire (repeatedly if I’m not mistaken), refuse to exchange the hostages - not great peaceful diplomacy by any stretch of the imagination.

I'm not sure what your saying? Millions of Palestine are also here?
Should we not be advocating for solutions that will suit everyone?

turbonerd · 24/04/2024 20:48

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But, again MikkyMo. Israel as a nation state IS here. Drawn up by the UN after ww2.
Sure, the British, French, Americans and others had their own designs on the area which was put in the mix. But there it is.

USA should be split up into its original nation states. The Sápmi should be a nation state taking chunks out of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Russia. Kurdistan should be a nation state (53 million Kurds without a state to call their own).

This would cause immense conflict and bloodshed, even though perhaps it would be morally correct. I am not advocating for any of this necessarily, just drawing comparisons.

Israel exists - going on 74 years now.
Peaceful solutions are necessary.
To attack by stealth, break ceasefire (repeatedly if I’m not mistaken), refuse to exchange the hostages - not great peaceful diplomacy by any stretch of the imagination.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:47

Jfc wims, a genocide is going on. Is this who you want to be?
There is loads of info on the history and on what's going on atm. Is ignorance going to be your choice?
On genocide? Really?

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:44

Wtf? Seriously.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:43

Can I ask you Rebellious, why would a historian writing about, in the course of many aspects of his work, the palistian experience cause you to discount him professionally and as a moral person?
I'm Jewish but I'm not at all offended that Palestinians exist, and have existed for hundreds of years, and have their experiences, history, culture, everything other people have really.
Zionists are offended that Palestinians exist, they are in the way of the zionist project and they just can't forgive them for that.

GailForce10 · 24/04/2024 20:42

ArabellaScott · 24/04/2024 20:02

I'm sorry, what?

I hadn't heard of this chap, two posters have sung his praises, I'm looking for information on him.

Two posters? Maybe the same poster with different sock accounts? The styles are the same, feign thinly veiled bigotry as reasonableness, and then get aggressive when confronted. TBF they are probably not out of their teens.

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:39

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:37

That is untrue.

To be honest I'm not sure that further exchange with you is going to result in anything worthwhile - so I'll leave it there.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:37

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:36

It is not "rubbish". He writes narratives about elements of the Palestinian experience. He is not an historian who is interested in objective truth.

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That is untrue.

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:36

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:25

Rubbish, his work around the nakba is sourced on isrealiedocuments and testimonials from Jewish men involved in the raping and killing.

It is not "rubbish". He writes narratives about elements of the Palestinian experience. He is not an historian who is interested in objective truth.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:34

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:29

Why don't you try reading some literature on the matter. I've got a copy of Ilan Pappe's 'The Idea of Israel'. Reading helps you to understand what you are trying to justify or explain.

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I'm badly dyslexic, iv only read about five books in my life.(it takes me about an hour to read one page) I do read articles though.
But thanks for the advice.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:31

ArabellaScott · 24/04/2024 20:29

You are coming across as either very young, or not in good faith, Mikky. Perhaps both. I'll leave it there.

Neither is correct, so not sure what I should make of that.
People, even thoughtful ones, hate being challenged on things they have been convinced are morally right?

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:29

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 19:26

No, but I will def give it a listen at the weekend.

Why don't you try reading some literature on the matter. I've got a copy of Ilan Pappe's 'The Idea of Israel'. Reading helps you to understand what you are trying to justify or explain.

ArabellaScott · 24/04/2024 20:29

You are coming across as either very young, or not in good faith, Mikky. Perhaps both. I'll leave it there.

MikkyMo · 24/04/2024 20:29

Sorry, was that too circa 2010.
It was a nonsense comeback by kids a few years ago.
I'm trying to say insults alone are not convincing of anything, except that the insulter has little in the way of interlect.

RebelliousCow · 24/04/2024 20:26

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